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Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:36 pm
Posted by sonoma8
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:36 pm
Nb4 paging Nascar…. I have a 3/4 acre pond behind my house that I initially stocked with bass from a neighbors pond like a dumbass 7 years ago. Well of course they were all stunted so we managed to pull the majority out within the last few months. All I have seen is fingerling bass running the banks.

So I stocked up on some fish from Dunns, 4500 fat head minnows, 500 coppernose, and 100 channel cat. Im currently aerating the pond with minimal algae or weed growth along the edges. Is there anything else I need to do besides throw some supplemental feed in every now and then?
Posted by mudshuvl05
Member since Nov 2023
773 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 8:25 pm to
Southeastern Pond Management manages our 1 acre pond and 9 acre lake.

I'm there everytime they shock them and pick the fish biologist's brain for at least 45 minutes.

Not trying to be a dick, but going off what he's told me over the years for our 1 acre pond, if catching lots of big, quality bass and having healthy, well fed bream is the goal, putting channels in was a bad idea.

It's like he says, a ¾ acre pond only has so much livable space in it, and if big bass is the goal, then putting channels in will hamper that severely. We restarted our 1 acre pond, and I envisioned a channel cat/good bass & bream pond and thought it was achievable with heavy management, but after he gave me a quick, concise tutorial on why that was a bad idea, I changed my mind without a second thought.

In a pond that size, if big, quality bass are the goal, you have to feed your bream, and you HAVE to catch the hell out of the bass. It's much easier to stay on top of the catching, instead of playing catch up. As a matter of fact, playing catch up can be damn near impossible. In many cases they actually recommend nuking the pond and starting from scratch if money is not a huge concern, because they can get you on track much quicker than trying to get back on top of things.

In any body of water, but especially the smaller the acreage, your bream are your forage base and they must be taken care of, and you need to be aware that you don't clean them out when they're on the beds. Stocking a pond that size with shad is not cost effective, but one thing he recommended was stocking the pond with crawfish at 200lbs/acre, especially pre-spawn. They're easy to eat, highly nutritious tootsie rolls for bass, and they really help them rebound after the spawn when they're feeding heavy, which also takes pressure off your newly hatched bream. Our 1 acre pond got all out of whack, we had no bream, tons of bass that were starving (like, finding grass in their stomachs starving) and re-stocked with bream and crawfish and saw immediate results in a season on their weights. We were doing good on keeping our bass, but after building the lake, the pond is inevitably going to revert back.

And that's the crux of most problems with ponds and small lakes: if it isn't fished enough, it will get out of control. Most of the people who wanted to fish the pond only wanted to fish for bream, so that exacerbated the imbalance. I'm strongly considering nuking it, putting in big, marked gravel beds, and turning it into a channel cat and trophy bream pond. With nothing to eat the bream they could overpopulate, but a handful of people can put a hurting on bedded bream gravel beds in a weekend, and there's no shortage of folks who will come lay the hammer to big, bedding bream. Just lay the high protein feed to it and have it to where anybody can go and catch dinner plate bream and eating size cats. That seems to me so much more doable than adding bass into the mix on a small pond, but everyone has their own goals and wants and needs.

But basically, the biologist told me that you either have a bass and bream pond, or a channel cat pond. Trying to split the difference just gives mediocre-to-poor results across the board, and if bass are in the equation, you just about can't catch too many after the 2nd growing season's spawn.
Posted by John_V
SELA
Member since Oct 2018
1769 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:17 pm to
Throw some cover/shade out there if it's a shallowish pond. I know some local ponds had some big fish kills when that drought hit and summer temps were high as hell last year but your aerator should help

I know for bass most stocking companies recommend taking out 100lbs yearly per acre, for catfish it's likely more I'd assume
This post was edited on 3/20/24 at 10:19 pm
Posted by Out da box
Member since Feb 2018
408 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:39 pm to
A stunted pond is a process over years;
1- too many bass
2-they eat all forage
3- no food to eat bass starve to death
4- pond overpopulates with remaining forage fish (small fish)

If you’ve got lots of small bass, start catching them and taking them out

,,,pond biologist recommendation
Posted by Outdoorreb
Member since Oct 2019
2582 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 1:13 am to
quote:

3/4 acre pond


Honestly?

Wasting your time.
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
5751 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 4:46 am to
Why not eat bass?
Posted by Jenar Boy
Elsewhere
Member since Aug 2013
12589 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 7:40 pm to
Stick to buying them at the market. Your arse can’t catch fish anywhere
Posted by Che Boludo
Member since May 2009
18297 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 8:17 pm to
Had a 3 acre pond when I lived in MS.

The "fish pond expert" I hired said do you want catfish or bass.

Advice was add blue gill if you want bass and do not release back any bass you catch under 1 to 1.5 lb

If you want catfish, just introduce them and set up feeders.

I went bass and he was right. Only lived there 2.5 years, but a huge difference in the catch over the time.
Posted by Nascar Fan
Columbia La.
Member since Jul 2011
18574 posts
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:24 am to
You rang ??
Posted by One More Shot
Member since Nov 2021
280 posts
Posted on 3/22/24 at 9:23 am to
well your pond is only 3/4 of an acre and that is going to take some work to sustain! actually, its a money pit. But if your loaded you can keep enough flat heads supplemented it will produce some catfish over time. 4500 aint crap. your gonna have to drop 10lbs a month of flat heads in there from now till October to. You put 600 fish in a 3/4 acre pond is way overpopulated. Your biggest problem is keeping them fed. Id also suggest supplement a floating catfish food. Thats a lot of mouths to feed and expect growth too. Honest opinion is you messed up.
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