re: Judge appointed by O'Bama rules illegals can legally carry firearms and ammo

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No, you are literally trying to apply the constitution to every human on the planet.

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And that is defending individual rights and the 2nd Amendment. That used to be called being a patriotic American, before y'all became major pussies and got scared at your own shadows.

Yeah use logic when your dumb arse wants more American deaths.

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Yeah use logic when your dumb arse wants more American deaths.

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MoT thinks firearms are dangerous.

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Voting = specific to citizens

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Slippery slope.

They are already voting in local.

They will either be granted citizenship or laws will be changed to allow them to vote.

What do you think is actually going to happen?? Democrats didn't bring them here for nothing.

The immigrants will serve their purpose.

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So, guns are too dangerous for people not born here to own?

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But not too dangerous to arm the citizens of Ukraine, per liberal theology.

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An attempt to change the conversation to something not happening.

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Eroding our rights and protections from government = promoting government taking over our lives.

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I'm not talking about gov taking over our lives.

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If the 2A is eroded, then we just assume government won't take advantage of that? Why?

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No no. The Constitution is for the United States of America. Not United States of the World. There is no such document.

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When do you think the first Supreme Court ruling stating that non-citizens were protected by the rights in our Constitution was issued?

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The immigrants will serve their purpose.

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If we're armed against tyranny, they will be on your side.

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"in this country."

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In United States v. Jimenez-Shilon, the 11th Circuit rejected a Second Amendment challenge to 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(5)(A), which prohibits firearm use or possession by any “alien” who is “illegally or unlawfully in the United States.” The holding itself is in some ways unremarkable – it joins every other federal circuit court that has considered the issue (now eight in all, according to the majority) in upholding § 922(g)(5) against challenges since Heller.

Judge Newsom relies entirely on a “text and history” approach. The “text” part of this analysis looks at the Second Amendment itself, and in this case, just one word: “people.” The opinion then delves into the question of whether noncitizens or foreigners fell within the Founding era’s public meaning of “the people,”.

Quoting a wide array of Founding-era documents and contemporary scholarship, the opinion concludes that “the people” included many noncitizens in most sections of the Constitution, but not when it is used in the Second Amendment, because the Amendment “codified” pre-existing common law rights, which excluded most noncitizens.



Again... you are applying protected rights of the American CITIZEN to illegals... That weakens the Constitution and higher courts have ruled many times on this.

It's sad watching libertarians talk about limiting the size of government. Our elected leaders laugh at you. You're playing by a rulebook that only exists in your minds. No one else is using it, and no one else cares about it any longer.

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You're playing by a rulebook that only exists in your minds.

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Weird argument to excuse more gun control.