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re: Judge appointed by O'Bama rules illegals can legally carry firearms and ammo
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:55 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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Eroding our rights and protections from government = promoting government taking over our lives.
Eroding THE US CITIZEN RIGHTS and PROTECTIONS would be.
I'm not doing that. If you are an illegal in the USA, you are not a citizen and therefore NOT afforded that right.
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:56 am to Pecker
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If you're not a citizen of this country and you get found with a gun, you should be hanged
Guns are very dangerous. I have to have a talk with mine every day before I leave the house.
I hear you big dog. "I love gun control as long as it doesn't adversely affect me"
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:56 am to BCreed1
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Eroding THE US CITIZEN RIGHTS and PROTECTIONS would be
Do you support universal background checks?
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:58 am to BCreed1
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No it's not.
Explain to me how limiting our rights is defending the Constitution.
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at every turn you and Roger expose yourself as leftist
So you define "leftist" as people trying to protect our rights and limit government?
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:58 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Citizenship means something to me
Guns are very dangerous. I have to have a talk with mine every day before I leave the house.
I hear you big dog. "I love gun control as long as it doesn't adversely affect me"
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:58 am to BCreed1
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Eroding THE US CITIZEN RIGHTS and PROTECTIONS would be.
You're making exceptions. It won't stop at your stated out group.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Do you support universal background checks?
I'm not going to change the subject. Again... as ruled by higher courts...
In United States v. Jimenez-Shilon, the 11th Circuit rejected a Second Amendment challenge to 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(5)(A), which prohibits firearm use or possession by any “alien” who is “illegally or unlawfully in the United States.” The holding itself is in some ways unremarkable – it joins every other federal circuit court that has considered the issue (now eight in all, according to the majority) in upholding § 922(g)(5) against challenges since Heller.
Judge Newsom relies entirely on a “text and history” approach. The “text” part of this analysis looks at the Second Amendment itself, and in this case, just one word: “people.” The opinion then delves into the question of whether noncitizens or foreigners fell within the Founding era’s public meaning of “the people,”.
Quoting a wide array of Founding-era documents and contemporary scholarship, the opinion concludes that “the people” included many noncitizens in most sections of the Constitution, but not when it is used in the Second Amendment, because the Amendment “codified” pre-existing common law rights, which excluded most noncitizens.
Again... you are applying protected rights of the American CITIZEN to illegals... That weakens the Constitution and higher courts have ruled many times on this.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 10:00 am to Pecker
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Citizenship means something to me
Weren't you the sucker.
Those carrots they dangle in front of the cart are usually tasty, but impossible to reach.
They gave you the proud right to fully fund governement and take on most of its responsibilities, while sharing the benefits.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 10:00 am to Brosef Stalin
even the blacks and injuns back in the day?
Posted on 3/25/24 at 10:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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Explain to me how limiting our rights is defending the Constitution.
Our Rights = USA CITIZEN. Not illegals as ruled on.
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So you define "leftist" as people trying to protect our rights and limit government?
No, I define leftists as people trying to undo the US constitution.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 10:00 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Your libertarian arguments are being used to arm illegal alien militant groups in the US. And I'm the sucker
Weren't you the sucker.
Those carrots they dangle in front of the cart are usually tasty, but impossible to reach.
This post was edited on 3/25/24 at 10:01 am
Posted on 3/25/24 at 10:01 am to BCreed1
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I'm not going to change the subject. Again.
Youre not. It is the subject.
The thread is regarding gun control.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 10:01 am to Pecker
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Citizenship means something to me
as courts have ruled
Posted on 3/25/24 at 10:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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You're making exceptions.
No, I'm applying the US Constitution.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 10:02 am to Pecker
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Your libertarian arguments
There are probably more Conservatives than Libertarians who are 2a absolutists.
You treat gun ownership as a privilege.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 10:03 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I treat gun ownership as a right for American citizens.
You treat gun ownership as a privilege.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 10:03 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Youre not. It is the subject.
The thread is regarding gun control.
In United States v. Jimenez-Shilon, the 11th Circuit rejected a Second Amendment challenge to 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(5)(A), which prohibits firearm use or possession by any “alien” who is “illegally or unlawfully in the United States.” The holding itself is in some ways unremarkable – it joins every other federal circuit court that has considered the issue (now eight in all, according to the majority) in upholding § 922(g)(5) against challenges since Heller.
Judge Newsom relies entirely on a “text and history” approach. The “text” part of this analysis looks at the Second Amendment itself, and in this case, just one word: “people.” The opinion then delves into the question of whether noncitizens or foreigners fell within the Founding era’s public meaning of “the people,”.
Quoting a wide array of Founding-era documents and contemporary scholarship, the opinion concludes that “the people” included many noncitizens in most sections of the Constitution, but not when it is used in the Second Amendment, because the Amendment “codified” pre-existing common law rights, which excluded most noncitizens.
Again... you are applying protected rights of the American CITIZEN to illegals... That weakens the Constitution and higher courts have ruled many times on this.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 10:03 am to BCreed1
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No, I'm applying the US Constitution.
the constitution just protects us from government.
Where does it say "Firearms can be illegal for everyone else."
Posted on 3/25/24 at 10:05 am to RogerTheShrubber
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the constitution just protects us from government.
Where does it say "Firearms can be illegal for everyone else."
I just told you.
In United States v. Jimenez-Shilon, the 11th Circuit rejected a Second Amendment challenge to 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(5)(A), which prohibits firearm use or possession by any “alien” who is “illegally or unlawfully in the United States.” The holding itself is in some ways unremarkable – it joins every other federal circuit court that has considered the issue (now eight in all, according to the majority) in upholding § 922(g)(5) against challenges since Heller.
Judge Newsom relies entirely on a “text and history” approach. The “text” part of this analysis looks at the Second Amendment itself, and in this case, just one word: “people.” The opinion then delves into the question of whether noncitizens or foreigners fell within the Founding era’s public meaning of “the people,”.
Quoting a wide array of Founding-era documents and contemporary scholarship, the opinion concludes that “the people” included many noncitizens in most sections of the Constitution, but not when it is used in the Second Amendment, because the Amendment “codified” pre-existing common law rights, which excluded most noncitizens.
Again... you are applying protected rights of the American CITIZEN to illegals... That weakens the Constitution and higher courts have ruled many times on this.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 10:05 am to Pecker
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I treat gun ownership as a right for American citizens.
A privilege of citizenship.
When the civil war or mass unrest breaks out, you go around checking citizenship papers, I'll continue arming everyone.
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