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re: The Fallen of World War II
Posted on 3/18/24 at 12:31 pm to gumbo2176
Posted on 3/18/24 at 12:31 pm to gumbo2176
quote:On top of that was a post WW2 purge. Imagine surviving the first ones and the Second World War only to be caught up in another round of that stuff.
The biggest problems for the Soviets was the fact Stalin had killed off a lot of his top military leaders during his regime prior to WWII breaking out. He looked at them as a threat to his leadership and like any psychopath----Hitler, Sadam Hussein, etc. he feared they would topple him and take over in a coup.
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 12:34 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
AP stands for Advanced Placement.
To contextualize something means to set the stage. Think of the Star Wars scrolls at the beginning of the movies.
To contextualize something means to set the stage. Think of the Star Wars scrolls at the beginning of the movies.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 12:37 pm to GeauxGoose
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Seeing how Hitler came to power is something that has interest me very recently and it's crazy that the British and other folks let Hitler back out on the treaty of Versailles, and then invade Czechoslovakia all the name to keep peace and we wound up in war anyways. If these frickers would have nut it up to begin with, maybe they could've saved some lives.
Crazy in hindsight, but understandable in the moment. Europe had never seen the likes of WWI and thought appeasement would make sure they wouldn't again. They severely underestimated Hitler. You are correct; had they backed Czechoslovakia instead of giving in, they could have stopped it then and there; not easily, but they could have. Instead, the treasure and industry of Austria and Czechoslovakia bulked up the German war machine who then got fine tuned invading Poland.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 1:15 pm to DakIsNoLB
Imagine what the global population would be today if not for the massive death tolls of WW1, WW2, Chinese famine, Russian purges, African famine, etc. Tally up all those deaths and then do an exponential factor for offspring.
People talk today about overpopulation, imagine what it could have been.
Also something that blows my mind is how these countries suffered massive casualties in WW1 and were able to repopulate and gear back up within a generation to have their kids fight it out all over again in WW2. Crazy to think about how there was even any bodies left to fight.
People talk today about overpopulation, imagine what it could have been.
Also something that blows my mind is how these countries suffered massive casualties in WW1 and were able to repopulate and gear back up within a generation to have their kids fight it out all over again in WW2. Crazy to think about how there was even any bodies left to fight.
This post was edited on 3/18/24 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 3/18/24 at 1:28 pm to SoDakHawk
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Imagine what the global population would be today if not for the massive death tolls of WW1, WW2
France would look a lot different that’s for sure. It would be a helluva lot more French
This post was edited on 3/18/24 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 3/18/24 at 1:36 pm to el Gaucho
quote:dont forget supporting palestine against those filthy jews...
Watching videos like this always makes me so proud that I can carry on the legacy of fighting nazis by voting against trump and supporting Ukraine
wait a minute...
Posted on 3/18/24 at 1:37 pm to OldmanBeasley
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You did not want to be in Nanjing in late 1937- to early 1938.
Or anywhere in the Asian-Austrialian-Pacific Islander theater. Japan rolled through a lot those areas for the natural resources. And also to test weapons and learn to use them very effectively since they bailed out the League of Nations so had no oversight.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 2:11 pm to Locoguan0
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I'm sure this was posted years ago, but I thought I would post it again today since my students are watching it as an intro to WW2.
Youtube Video
Kudos for using this as a teaching aid. A few points you should make sure your students get for context:
1. A large portion of Soviet losses were due to both Stalin and the Soviet system, neither of which valued human life. Examples:
a) As already pointed out, on the eve of war, Stalin purged his best military minds from top to bottom, leaving a leadership vacuum and aversion to taking any action.
b)Soviet soldiers who retreated were regularly executed for doing so, and counted as losses to Germans. Even post-war, returning Soviet POWs were almost all executed, adding yet more to their losses.
c) Soviet equipment was not survivable, and they didn't care. The crew loss rate for their mainstream T-34 tank with one penetrating hit was ~80%. Watch some videos from sources like Chieftan showing how hard it is to get in and out of it. The comparable rate for the much maligned Sherman was on the order of ~17%. Some of the best Soviet tank units rolled into Berlin driving Shermans.
d)Stalin regularly refused to allow or delayed civilian evacuations from threatened cities. See Leningrad, where 650k died. Check sources carefully here. Some carry water for the Soviets to this day regarding the evacuation numbers.
2. Without US supplies, the Soviets would have collapsed. Some 2/3rds of all Red Army wheeled vehicles were US-built by end of the war, as were good portions of their tanks and rail cars. The Soviets were incapable of making high octane aviation gas, so we literally supplied all of it to them. The average Red Army soldier marched West in US-made boots, more often than not. And the list goes on - steel, oil, ammunition, aircraft......
Posted on 3/18/24 at 2:47 pm to Locoguan0
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The Russia part always causes shock, as intended.
This video is flawed. First, the host constantly refers to the German soldiers as "Nazi soldiers" as if all Germans were members of the Nazi Party. Further, he is also known to call the Soviets as "Russians" even though not all Soviets are Russians. Heck, why not just refer to the Soviet soldiers as "Communist soldiers" since he mentions the alleged political party affiliation of the Germans?
As for your comment, the Soviets had that many deaths partly because they helped start the war with Germany by invading Poland (I noticed that the host omitted mentioning that Soviets helped the "Nazis" invade Poland at the 3:21 point of the video). Also, the Soviets finished the war permanently annexing land from 9 other countries and occupying 6 countries for the next 45 years. Does that sound like something the Soviets should be getting sympathy for?
Posted on 3/18/24 at 3:12 pm to Locoguan0
I feel like there are a good number of people who don’t appreciate the sheer carnage of WWII and even more people who don’t realize that the single deadliest conflict in human history occurred less than 100 years ago.
This post was edited on 3/18/24 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 3/18/24 at 3:33 pm to alajones
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On top of that was a post WW2 purge. Imagine surviving the first ones and the Second World War only to be caught up in another round of that stuff.
Soviet Union must have been just beyond brutal. Stalin refused to evacuate cities, thinking it would cause soldiers to fight harder.
People were dying being overworked in the factories, you couldnt escape it.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 3:35 pm to TigerHornII
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Soviet equipment was not survivable, and they didn't care. The crew loss rate for their mainstream T-34 tank with one penetrating hit was ~80%. Watch some videos from sources like Chieftan showing how hard it is to get in and out of it. The comparable rate for the much maligned Sherman was on the order of ~17%. Some of the best Soviet tank units rolled into Berlin driving Shermans.
As much ballyhooed as the T-34 was, it was ergonomically and mechanically a nightmare. T-34 allegedly had a spare transmission carried with it wherever it went. Most Soviet equipment was used until it was exhausted and then replaced. Maintenance and recovery was not in their doctrine.
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2. Without US supplies, the Soviets would have collapsed. Some 2/3rds of all Red Army wheeled vehicles were US-built by end of the war, as were good portions of their tanks and rail cars. The Soviets were incapable of making high octane aviation gas, so we literally supplied all of it to them. The average Red Army soldier marched West in US-made boots, more often than not. And the list goes on - steel, oil, ammunition, aircraft......
Good stuff. I don't think a lot of people realize how important the Spam, jeeps, 2-ton trucks, steel rails, locomotives and rolling stocks, and avgas were to the Soviet effort. The massive and sweeping sustained and back breaking offensives of 1944 don't happen without this.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 3:39 pm to GeauxGoose
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Seeing how Hitler came to power is something that has interest me very recently and it's crazy that the British and other folks let Hitler back out on the treaty of Versailles, and then invade Czechoslovakia all the name to keep peace and we wound up in war anyways. If these frickers would have nut it up to begin with, maybe they could've saved some lives.
And the Europeans have pussied out again, over the past couple of decades, leading us down this same road again…
Posted on 3/18/24 at 3:45 pm to DakIsNoLB
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2-ton trucks
The most produced vehicle of the entire war. I bring this up as a point of fact with my students and ask them “how does that represent the American war effort?” when trying to get them to think beyond the front lines.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 3:59 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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from 1914-1945 we killed off a hell of a lot of smart, capable people across this world, which may explain the utter stupidity of modern feminist culture.
Next time send the women to fight. Its their turn.
Damn show me where the women touched you (or sounds like didn't). The animosity towards females from some of you is amazing
Posted on 3/18/24 at 3:59 pm to DakIsNoLB
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Good stuff. I don't think a lot of people realize how important the Spam, jeeps, 2-ton trucks, steel rails, locomotives and rolling stocks, and avgas were to the Soviet effort. The massive and sweeping sustained and back breaking offensives of 1944 don't happen without this.
Without lend lease the Reds are likely overrun by the Germans. The old saying that an army marches on its stomach holds true and we fed, supplied a large majority of the Soviet army.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 4:27 pm to alajones
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The most produced vehicle of the entire war. I bring this up as a point of fact with my students and ask them “how does that represent the American war effort?” when trying to get them to think beyond the front lines.
Can't recall whether it was Ike, Patton or Marshall who said it, but one of them said the three most critical weapons that won WWII were the Jeep, the M1 Garand, and the DC-3.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 4:34 pm to Mstate
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Without lend lease the Reds are likely overrun by the Germans. The old saying that an army marches on its stomach holds true and we fed, supplied a large majority of the Soviet army.
Amateurs talk about tactics; professionals talk about logistics. No one, even amongst the Allies, did it better than the U.S.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 4:35 pm to DakIsNoLB
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As much ballyhooed as the T-34 was, it was ergonomically and mechanically a nightmare. T-34 allegedly had a spare transmission carried with it wherever it went. Most Soviet equipment was used until it was exhausted and then replaced. Maintenance and recovery was not in their doctrine.
Yep. If you happen to play the game War Thunder, which goes to great pains to make vehicles realistic, listen to the unique sound a moving T-34 makes. That is the sound of the pins that hold the track sections together getting pounded back into place with each revolution of the track. The Russians didn't bother to design a way to retain them, and couldn't build press fits, so the lower part of the hull literally has a feature designed into it that acts as a hammer to beat them back into place as each track segment passes over the drive wheel. T-34s could be heard coming for miles because of this.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 4:41 pm to TigerHornII
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Can't recall whether it was Ike, Patton or Marshall who said it, but one of them said the three most critical weapons that won WWII were the Jeep, the M1 Garand, and the DC-3.
Patton said the M1 was the best battle implement ever devised.
Eisenhower said the 4 most important pieces of equipment were the bulldozer, jeep, 2.5 ton truck and c47. all logistics related.
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