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Elon Musk — This is how Dems are cheating in elections.

Posted on 3/9/24 at 5:41 pm
Posted by loogaroo
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Posted on 3/9/24 at 5:41 pm
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Most Americans do not know that the US census currently counts, for purposes of voting power, all people in a district, regardless of citizenship!

Senate Democrats just voted unanimously to defeat an amendment that would have stopped counting illegals for congressional seat apportionment and electoral college (presidential) votes.

Since illegals are mostly in Democrat states, both the House and the Presidential vote are shifted ~5% to the left, which is enough to change the entire balance of power!

This is a major reason why the Biden administration is ushering in record levels of illegals and doing so few deportations.


https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1766309014827061326
Posted by loogaroo
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Posted on 3/9/24 at 5:42 pm to
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WASHINGTON—United States Senator Bill Hagerty (R-TN) today released the following statement after the vote on his amendment barring illegal immigrants from being counted on the census:

“Today I forced Chuck Schumer to hold a vote on whether illegal aliens should be counted for determining the number of congressional seats and electoral votes each state gets. Democrats’ unanimous opposition to this commonsense measure confirms that they’re using illegal aliens and sanctuary cities to increase their political power. With this vote, Senate Democrats chose to trample on the rights of each American’s voice. I will continue to fight and press this issue in the Senate.”


https://www.hagerty.senate.gov/press-releases/2024/03/08/hagerty-statement-on-senate-democrats-siding-with-illegal-immigrants-over-american-citizens-on-voting-power/
Posted by DotBling
Member since Oct 2019
3111 posts
Posted on 3/9/24 at 5:45 pm to
We’ve been saying this. It’s why they let them in. This isn’t new??
Posted by Deplorableinohio
Member since Dec 2018
5652 posts
Posted on 3/9/24 at 5:50 pm to
That’s right. The states having motor/voter registration, automatically add illegal aliens to the voter registries enabling demorats to illegally vote with ballots from illegals.

This is how it is done.
Posted by Longhorn Actual
Member since Dec 2023
1008 posts
Posted on 3/9/24 at 5:59 pm to
Including non-citizens in the apportionment of seats in the House and for the Electoral College does one of two things.

A) It gives non-citizens a voice in OUR government.

B) It gives the citizens of that state/district out-sized representation in our government since they have the "extra" numbers juiced by the presence of the non-citizens.

One or the other, A or B, happens. Period. That's why they refuse to fight it.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
12037 posts
Posted on 3/9/24 at 6:58 pm to
I periodically write down notes for what I want to include in my platform for election reform and related issues, and the census issue is one of those items. Some people have disputed what Elon says but he's correct.

From census.gov, regarding apportionment in Congress:
The apportionment population count for each of the 50 states includes the state’s total resident population plus a count of the overseas federal employees (and their dependents living with them overseas) who have that state listed as their home state in their employers’ administrative records.

The resident population counts include all people (citizens and noncitizens) who are living in the United States at the time of the census. People are counted at their usual residence, which is the place where they live and sleep most of the time.

Article 1, Section 2, of the United States Constitution states:

"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers...The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct."


It makes no sense, and I believe it's unconstitutional, to suggest representation / apportionment is based on people that are not US citizens.

The People established this nation for themselves and at no time during our founding did they just lump in others, and in fact they put in language talking about naturalization of non-citizens. If representation was to be based on citizen and non-citizen numbers, there would be no need to even discuss citizenship or naturalization. The core element to our founding was the establishment of a representative form of government, a constitutional republic to protect the individual rights of CITIZENS while allowing those CITIZENS to steer the direction of their respective states and the states to help steer the nation, via federalism. Citizenship is fundamental to all of this.

We are a union of states, each state composed of citizens, and citizenship meant so much that, even though most people were subjects of the Crown at the time of our founding, they did not transfer that status to this new place, making us British citizens of the United States territories or something like that.

There's a reason our Founders consulted the historical lessons of other nations so often when they wrote the Constitution and debated its ratification via the Federalist Papers etc - our nation was going to be unique, and sovereign, built by its own citizens, for the betterment of its own citizens - a distinct group of people. Citizenship, belonging, the status of being "American" was so special for the Founders and Colonists that they bound themselves together to cast off a tyrannical regime and instituted a new government and a new nation in order to protect all that they believed was entitled to a citizen. They went to war for this.

Citizenship is substantive and meaningful. It's not trivial. It's not a mere administrative designation having no consequence or uniqueness. It is the most cherished aspect of being an American - you are a citizen of this nation, bonded to every other citizen in a nation that our ancestors created - FOR US.

All men are created equal - and that means they have the ability to build their own nation, as our ancestors built for us. That equal nature does not give permission to invade our nation, violate our sovereignty, and then get the rewards of our citizenship or even the benefits of residence within this nation. To make that the case is to subjugate us to the non-citizen, which is to say that we are suddenly not equal, but inferior. When politicians argue for sanctuary, special treatment, and handing over the benefits of residence, citizenship, and the transfer from citizens to non-citizens, they are declaring that you, the citizen, are inferior to the non-citizen. It's an overt rejection of our Constitution and the entire platform on which our nation was founded. It is profoundly un-American, anti-American, and shows contempt for the People of this nation. It's not possible for anyone that espouses this position to have any legitimacy in government.

It befuddles the mind how anyone could interpret this differently.

There's no way to read the Declaration of Independence and not understand the central importance of citizenship:

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government...

Posted by TN Tygah
Member since Nov 2023
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Posted on 3/9/24 at 7:09 pm to
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Since illegals are mostly in Democrat states, both the House and the Presidential vote are shifted ~5% to the left, which is enough to change the entire balance of power!


If they’re mostly in Democrat states, and House reps are at the state level, and considering we have the electoral college I don’t see why it has anything with either.
Posted by Chief One Word
Eastern Washington State
Member since Mar 2018
3712 posts
Posted on 3/9/24 at 7:37 pm to
So people (illegals) that never paid a penny of tax and are costing us $500 billion a yr are also costing us a balance of power
Posted by Undertow
Member since Sep 2016
7401 posts
Posted on 3/9/24 at 9:07 pm to
We’ve seen time and time again from the left that the ends justify the means. They repeatedly call Trump a dictator and they’re the only ones that act like a dictator.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23972 posts
Posted on 3/9/24 at 10:05 pm to
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Senate Democrats just voted unanimously to defeat an amendment that would have stopped counting illegals for congressional seat apportionment and electoral college (presidential) votes.

Elon doesn’t understand the constitution.
Posted by GeauxLSUGeaux
1 room down from Erin Andrews
Member since May 2004
23430 posts
Posted on 3/9/24 at 10:22 pm to
Wow so does this mean that the numbers of people reported to have left liberal shitholes are even worse considering a lot of the numbers are propped up by illegals?
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 3/9/24 at 10:25 pm to
Now do Gerry meandering/redistricting for Republicans.
Posted by jbdawgs03
Athens
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 3/10/24 at 8:17 am to
And he’s correct
Posted by TigerAllNightLong
Member since Jul 2023
340 posts
Posted on 3/10/24 at 8:46 am to
This is one of the few mistakes in the Constitution that could directly lead to another civil war.
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
11516 posts
Posted on 3/10/24 at 9:53 am to
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Elon Musk — This is ONE OF THE WAYS Dems are cheating in elections.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162289 posts
Posted on 3/10/24 at 9:54 am to
That's not cheating. That's the law.
Posted by TurkeyBaconLeg
Houston
Member since Jul 2018
1705 posts
Posted on 3/10/24 at 10:11 am to
The next census isn't until 2030.

If Trump wins (I don't think he will) he has promised to kick the illegals out. So, all these people that supposedly tip the balance in future elections should be gone by 2030...

If not and this tactic that Elon and others point out is correct, then conservative states like Texas should put illegals in temporary housing in conservative districts...take the census which will bulk up the population count in that district and give it more power...then after the census, ship them to whereever or kick them out.

Just play population musical chairs until you get the result you want...
Posted by Spaniard
Madisonville
Member since Apr 2011
781 posts
Posted on 3/10/24 at 10:43 am to
The three fifths compromise was about this shite more than anything else. We are heading down that same path again
This post was edited on 3/10/24 at 10:44 am
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
22710 posts
Posted on 3/10/24 at 10:45 am to
Are they just counting them in blue cities or is South Texas also getting extra representation?
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
4379 posts
Posted on 3/10/24 at 11:28 am to
Vamanos, tres quintos!
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