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re: Blaze Journalist has now been taken into FBI custody for J6 reporting
Posted on 3/1/24 at 2:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/1/24 at 2:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Like say when a jury determines guilt or liability (if we are including civil)?
I don’t hold the legal system in as high esteem as you do (selectively). I don’t need it to make my Hyundai payment.
Posted on 3/1/24 at 2:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Which claim?
And when the claim is proven not to be false?
Posted on 3/1/24 at 2:37 pm to NC_Tigah
He’s doing exactly what you would expect. A court result = truth. But that’s just because he’s a fig.
Posted on 3/1/24 at 2:42 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Thet complaint pretty much says it all. Journalists
NC_Tigah
have always been given wide lattitude in
these kind of situations, unless they are impeding law enforcement. . If this guy was such a threat, why wasn’t he arrested on the spot, instead of three years later?
Posted on 3/1/24 at 2:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:except in one case, it’s true.
The way that bias (or even political/group bias) is being used by Trumpkins is the exact same way BLM uses it re: black people.
You can summarize it as follows: my in-group is being disproportionately prosecuted by out-group.
quote:Who asserted otherwise? What other groups have the DOJ dedicated as much resources to that J6’ers?
I can tell you this, the DOJ has put a hell of a lot more black people in jail since January 6 than Trumpkins.
quote:Good thing that only happens for MAGA folks. I guess that explains the selectivity of DOJ.
Even if we are to assume this to be true, the combination of a mob + no actual plan is dangerous. When you add in hyper-partisanship, emotion, and/or a desire for vengeance? It gets scary.
This post was edited on 3/1/24 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 3/1/24 at 2:44 pm to the808bass
quote:
I don’t hold the legal system in as high esteem as you do
Neither does BLM
But we are having a discussion about the legal system nonetheless
quote:
I don’t need it to make my Hyundai payment.
I don't either
Posted on 3/1/24 at 2:45 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Which claim?
BLMs I presume.
He does not like to argue honestly sometimes so he can be malleable pull the rug out when he's cornered.
Posted on 3/1/24 at 2:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Neither does BLM
You’re not going to stick the landing with this
Posted on 3/1/24 at 2:46 pm to the808bass
quote:
He’s doing exactly what you would expect. A court result = truth.
You're the one who gave the silly analogy. I'm just trying to fit it into your analogy
Posted on 3/1/24 at 2:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Which makes the tolerance of a selective DOJ, and a two teired justice system even worse. But hey, let’s not go all BLM on our government. Better to just have no opinion and go along with it. At least until it gets really, really bad.
I think most of it is manufactured and the majority of the population is not.
This post was edited on 3/1/24 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 3/1/24 at 2:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Meh. He's going to qualify as a journalist and assert 1A defenses.
The way you say this, it comes across as if this is a bad thing..
Posted on 3/1/24 at 2:52 pm to the808bass
quote:Indeterminate. We need to know if Joe and Jimmie are democrats or republicans to determine their guilt.
Let me know if you can follow that far.
Posted on 3/1/24 at 2:52 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
except in one case, it’s true.
Why does it only flow one way?
quote:
What other groups have the DOJ dedicated as much resources to that J6’ers?
I mean that's a very specific incident. Kind of like how Al Quaeda dominated DOJ resources for a time in the early 2000s, for obvious reasons.
Large scale incidents within federal purview are not that common. They're going to require an insanely disproportionate amount of resources.
quote:
Good thing that only happens for MAGA folks.
Who said that?
Posted on 3/1/24 at 2:53 pm to Friscodog
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The way you say this, it comes across as if this is a bad thing..
Because I was dismissing a specific argument?
This post was edited on 3/1/24 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 3/1/24 at 2:54 pm to lsuguy84
quote:
You’re not going to stick the landing with this
Only because it stings so much to people who don't realize what they're arguing
Posted on 3/1/24 at 2:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Facts notwithstanding?
You can summarize it as follows: my in-group is being disproportionately prosecuted by out-group.
Selective prosecution or not, factless, disprovable claims do not equate to verifiable, factual ones.
Posted on 3/1/24 at 2:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:What is the claim? If the claim was lower drug usage, that is false.
BLMs I presume.
Posted on 3/1/24 at 3:02 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Facts notwithstanding?
No they're included.
quote:
factless, disprovable claims do not equate to verifiable, factual ones.
Sure, but we're not talking about "factless, disprovable" claims/prosecutions. That's the problem.
Even if you're claiming "selective prosecution". The implication there is both groups are guilty, but only one was prosecuted. That scenario doesn't deal with one guilty group and one innocent group.
That brings me back to a point I made yesterday. A major internal issue (that I wager our friend from Missouri has issues with) is the understanding that it's not only the out group committing the crimes. The net is so large in the US today that we're all committing crimes. Once you accept that, the larger picture should unfold.
Posted on 3/1/24 at 3:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:So as I've asked several times, what "facts" specifically are you referring to?
Sure, but we're not talking about "factless, disprovable" claims/prosecutions. That's the problem.
Posted on 3/1/24 at 3:06 pm to NC_Tigah
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If the claim was lower drug usage, that is false.
That depends on the source and analysis of that data.
Like this Vox article.
quote:
African Americans are hit much harder than any other racial or ethnic group by the war on drugs, even when there's no evidence of significantly higher drug usage or sales. The most obvious disparity appears between white and black Americans: Both groups use and sell, according to some studies, illicit drugs at similar rates, but black people are roughly 2.6 times as likely to get arrested for drug crimes.
In/out groups engage in similar behavior, but the prosecutions selectively target one group disproportionately.
Even with your stats, it doesn't match with the disproportionate drug arrests by race, so it still works.
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