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re: Alabama to become first state in America to provide blanket immunity to Ivf clinics

Posted on 2/29/24 at 8:27 pm to
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
18567 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 8:27 pm to
It violates private property rights.
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
18567 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 8:28 pm to
Amen
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
50256 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 8:32 pm to
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But it’s widely accepted by the same people that claim fertilized eggs are babies and that because so, abortion is murder.

So your point is moot.



So you are in the camp that an embryo is not a life
Posted by rattlebucket
SELA
Member since Feb 2009
11764 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 8:32 pm to
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death of an embryo


Interesting. I thought they were just cells…
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
20553 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 8:35 pm to
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Either a fertilized egg is a “baby” or it’s not. Get your shite together. Your lack of logical consistency confirms that conservatives are a bunch of ignorant clowns
let's keep the embryos and terminate the likes of you. At least the embryos still have potential
Posted by Dex Morgan
Member since Nov 2022
1997 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 8:43 pm to
Until there's a heartbeat, it's not viable. My take at least.
Posted by keks tadpole
Yellow Leaf Creek
Member since Feb 2017
7809 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 8:45 pm to
It’s not going to end well. That’s for certain
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
6088 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 8:58 pm to
Are we back to hhtm posting a topic and then ghosting the rest of the thread? Asking for a friend.
Posted by GusAU
Member since Mar 2014
4028 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 8:59 pm to
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Your lack of logical consistency confirms that conservatives are a bunch of ignorant clowns.

Would you share with all of us your preferred pronouns?
Posted by spacewrangler
In my easy chair with my boots on..
Member since Sep 2009
9774 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 9:52 pm to
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people that claim fertilized eggs are babies and that because so, abortion is murder.



No an ivf fertized egg is not a baby. Not until the conception process is completed where the fertilized egg has achieved implantation within the uterus/womb and is capable to develop further. Organs,form and around 5 weeks is when the nueral system starts to form.


IMO not until successful implantation has occurred that I would consider that a ivf fertilized egg a "baby" for your attempted gotcha. And MO is it's really not a baby until there's a heart beat and brain function.

In this day and age there really shouldn't be a need for an abortion.

Posted by spacewrangler
In my easy chair with my boots on..
Member since Sep 2009
9774 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 10:06 pm to
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How is abandoning fertilized eggs different than abortion?


I know you don't really want a real answer but only one of your 2 scenarious involves dissecting & scraping a actively growing embryo out of a woman's uterus .

Not always does a fertilized egg implant and without that happening there is no pregnancy to abort.
Posted by Pikes Peak Tiger
Colorado Springs
Member since Jun 2023
6002 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 10:09 pm to
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Either a fertilized egg is a “baby” or it’s not. Get your shite together. Your lack of logical consistency confirms that conservatives are a bunch of ignorant clowns.


While you have a point let’s not pretend for one second you progressives give a single frick about logical consistency. In this regard the left is way worse than the right.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
24758 posts
Posted on 3/1/24 at 5:57 am to
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While you have a point let’s not pretend for one second you progressives give a single frick about logical consistency.

If consistency is required, can we start deep freezing children? They’re the same as embryos. We can thaw them out when they’ve learned their lesson.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
23514 posts
Posted on 3/1/24 at 5:58 am to
What a retarded response to a non issue
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
66513 posts
Posted on 3/1/24 at 6:02 am to
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Thoughts?


My view is the view of the Catholic Church:

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The Magisterium has pronounced her main teachings on IVF in Donum Vitae (1987), Evangelium Vitae (1995), and Dignitas Personae (2008). The Church says "no" to IVF due to the massive destruction of embryonic life, the assault on the meaning of the conjugal act and the treatment of the child as a product not a gift.


The state of Alabama is morally wrong for proposing such a law.
This post was edited on 3/1/24 at 6:04 am
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
50256 posts
Posted on 3/1/24 at 6:08 am to
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If consistency is required, can we start deep freezing children? They’re the same as embryos. We can thaw them out when they’ve learned their lesson.


What a stupid response
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
24758 posts
Posted on 3/1/24 at 6:28 am to
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What a stupid response

Actually the stupid response is enshrining in our civil law abstract philosophical dividing lines like personhood being assigned to embryos. There has to be a legal status of less than personhood. There’s nothing wrong with someone believing life begins at conception, but it is crazy to assign legal personhood from conception.
Posted by mikeybates
Member since Sep 2020
238 posts
Posted on 3/1/24 at 6:38 am to
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Actually the stupid response is enshrining in our civil law abstract philosophical dividing lines like personhood being assigned to embryos. There has to be a legal status of less than personhood. There’s nothing wrong with someone believing life begins at conception, but it is crazy to assign legal personhood from conception.


That means someone who kills a pregnant woman can only be charged with one homicide.

And again, this law, even though it expires, would remove all liability for damage to embryos. There was a $15 million judgment in San Francisco for destruction of embryos; this is not unusual.
This post was edited on 3/1/24 at 6:44 am
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
24758 posts
Posted on 3/1/24 at 6:46 am to
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That means someone who kills a pregnant woman can only be charged with one homicide.

No, it doesn’t mean that. But in order to up-charge the murder it is not necessary to give the fetus voting rights or a social security number. The up-charge for murdering a pregnant woman has existed even when abortion was legal. This is the use of legal statuses different than full personhood.

It’s like republicans have cognitive issues. You can’t remember what we did yesterday and you can’t conceive of distinctions that have been in the law for generations.
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