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Zion is fat, slow, lacking hops and agility, still shooting 60% from the floor.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 8:52 am
Posted on 2/15/24 at 8:52 am
Where do I start with this conversation? Let's see. Let's go Zions skill for skill abilities and what he is lacking at this weight.
Zion is suffering as a ball handler and can't explode past people because he has to load up to get that big arse frame in motion. There has been numerous times where he had his defender hip to hip, but could not explode towards the basket in the open lane.
Even worse, he doesn't have any of his GOAT level abilities to break down the help defender off the dribble. He hasn't been able to split double teams this year, his spin step has not worked barely at all this year, he fumbles his handle a lot because his body is used to moving faster than he currently can, so when he tries to explode, he is getting no separation.
Even his ability to explode from the triple threat is slow ASF this season. He has the fastest first step from the triple threat in the NBA, but right now it's super slow.
His hops has also suffered a lot and he barely even tries to jump over defenders, jump into traffic, and only tries to dunk when the basket is wide open. His 2 dunks last night were so damn unathletic it's crazy. He is pulling so much extra weight around that it's so easy to see that he is MUCH slower and MUCH less athletic.
I don't think this is regular athletic decline, and I think he will be right back jumping thru the roof as soon as he drops all the extra weight. However, when he got bigger in other seasons he was never this slow and never lacked this much mobility. Even rookie year, fresh off the meniscus and fluffy as hell, he was still the fastest player on the court. That is not the case right now and he is MUCH bigger than he was at that point.
This dude needs to REALLY get down to 285, Duke size ONLY abd no less than that because right now, he is at least 320.
Zion is suffering as a ball handler and can't explode past people because he has to load up to get that big arse frame in motion. There has been numerous times where he had his defender hip to hip, but could not explode towards the basket in the open lane.
Even worse, he doesn't have any of his GOAT level abilities to break down the help defender off the dribble. He hasn't been able to split double teams this year, his spin step has not worked barely at all this year, he fumbles his handle a lot because his body is used to moving faster than he currently can, so when he tries to explode, he is getting no separation.
Even his ability to explode from the triple threat is slow ASF this season. He has the fastest first step from the triple threat in the NBA, but right now it's super slow.
His hops has also suffered a lot and he barely even tries to jump over defenders, jump into traffic, and only tries to dunk when the basket is wide open. His 2 dunks last night were so damn unathletic it's crazy. He is pulling so much extra weight around that it's so easy to see that he is MUCH slower and MUCH less athletic.
I don't think this is regular athletic decline, and I think he will be right back jumping thru the roof as soon as he drops all the extra weight. However, when he got bigger in other seasons he was never this slow and never lacked this much mobility. Even rookie year, fresh off the meniscus and fluffy as hell, he was still the fastest player on the court. That is not the case right now and he is MUCH bigger than he was at that point.
This dude needs to REALLY get down to 285, Duke size ONLY abd no less than that because right now, he is at least 320.
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Posted on 2/15/24 at 9:00 am to DetroitEWarren
Damn, woke up and chose violence this morning.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 9:19 am to DetroitEWarren
quote:So you did not watch the game last night is what you are saying? 23 posts - I guess this is an alter of someone who is trolling.
Where do I start with this conversation? Let's see. Let's go Zions skill for skill abilities and what he is lacking at this weight.
Zion is suffering as a ball handler and can't explode past people because he has to load up to get that big arse frame in motion. There has been numerous times where he had his defender hip to hip, but could not explode towards the basket in the open lane.
Even worse, he doesn't have any of his GOAT level abilities to break down the help defender off the dribble. He hasn't been able to split double teams this year, his spin step has not worked barely at all this year, he fumbles his handle a lot because his body is used to moving faster than he currently can, so when he tries to explode, he is getting no separation.
Even his ability to explode from the triple threat is slow ASF this season. He has the fastest first step from the triple threat in the NBA, but right now it's super slow.
His hops has also suffered a lot and he barely even tries to jump over defenders, jump into traffic, and only tries to dunk when the basket is wide open. His 2 dunks last night were so damn unathletic it's crazy. He is pulling so much extra weight around that it's so easy to see that he is MUCH slower and MUCH less athletic.
I don't think this is regular athletic decline, and I think he will be right back jumping thru the roof as soon as he drops all the extra weight. However, when he got bigger in other seasons he was never this slow and never lacked this much mobility. Even rookie year, fresh off the meniscus and fluffy as hell, he was still the fastest player on the court. That is not the case right now and he is MUCH bigger than he was at that point.
This dude needs to REALLY get down to 285, Duke size ONLY abd no less than that because right now, he is at least 320.
This post was edited on 2/15/24 at 9:20 am
Posted on 2/15/24 at 9:28 am to DetroitEWarren
Posted on 2/15/24 at 9:31 am to DetroitEWarren
He looks the best he has in a while.
I think FO and Willie should just play him....ALOT....and let the injuries happen if they will.
Theres a thought that by playing more, he gets in better shape, and injury chances actually go down...vs. keeping big boy on bench half the game and his big body never thins out and he isnt "hardened up" from injuries
I think FO and Willie should just play him....ALOT....and let the injuries happen if they will.
Theres a thought that by playing more, he gets in better shape, and injury chances actually go down...vs. keeping big boy on bench half the game and his big body never thins out and he isnt "hardened up" from injuries
Posted on 2/15/24 at 9:40 am to DetroitEWarren
I'm not gonna get into the subjective stuff about his athleticism and weight but this point is dumb. We all love a good poster but dunking in traffic is 100% more dangerous than a finger roll or layup. I'm cool with Z taking the 2 points without worrying about landing funny after hanging on the rim or getting his legs cut out from under him by a defender
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His hops has also suffered a lot and he barely even tries to jump over defenders, jump into traffic, and only tries to dunk when the basket is wide open. His 2 dunks last night were so damn unathletic it's crazy. He is pulling so much extra weight around that it's so easy to see that he is MUCH slower and MUCH less athletic.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 9:48 am to DetroitEWarren
The dude has had 5 30pt games in the last 14 he's played, and now you want to make his thread.
Fact is Zion is peaking at the right time. I just hope the extended allstar break doesn't set him back.
Fact is Zion is peaking at the right time. I just hope the extended allstar break doesn't set him back.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 10:04 am to DetroitEWarren
We need to have a rule about creating threads for new accounts.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 10:29 am to DetroitEWarren
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don't think this is regular athletic decline
I don't agree. The wall comes for everyone. He can only abuse those gifts for so long.
I remember Larry Johnson talking about when he started to decline. It was after he had back surgery. He was just never the same. It's a fragile thing.
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dude needs to REALLY get down to 285, Duke size ONLY abd no less than that because right now, he is at least 320.
Less would be best. But I don't think he cares or will make a drastic change. He likes being big..
Posted on 2/15/24 at 10:36 am to DetroitEWarren
You're trying wayyyyyyy too hard with your statements.
Zion isn't as fit and explosive as rookie and year 2 Zion, no question.
But Zion still absolutely has elite explosiveness, but you're saying he "can't explode" and has no abilities to break down help defenders and his first step is super slow.
And yet, with zero things learned in 5 years, he's still averaging 22ppg on 58% shooting, which would be impossible if all your exaggerated statements were true. If they were true, he wouldn't even be an NBA level player.
He does all the things you claim he can't, and he does them at an above average level. He just doesn't do them as good as he used to.
Zion isn't as fit and explosive as rookie and year 2 Zion, no question.
But Zion still absolutely has elite explosiveness, but you're saying he "can't explode" and has no abilities to break down help defenders and his first step is super slow.
And yet, with zero things learned in 5 years, he's still averaging 22ppg on 58% shooting, which would be impossible if all your exaggerated statements were true. If they were true, he wouldn't even be an NBA level player.
He does all the things you claim he can't, and he does them at an above average level. He just doesn't do them as good as he used to.
quote:He said that right handed dunk was unathletic
His 2 dunks last night were so damn unathletic it's crazy.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 11:50 am to DetroitEWarren
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Zion is suffering as a ball handler and can't explode past people because he has to load up to get that big arse frame in motion. There has been numerous times where he had his defender hip to hip, but could not explode towards the basket in the open lane.
Dumb take, one of his best abilities is his first step. You are a casual.
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He hasn't been able to split double teams this year,
Again, a casual. He’s repeatedly split doubles from his spots near the elbow and when he doesn’t, he passes out of it because we have additional playmakers on the court. How he manages these doubles generally depends on our rotations. Watch more basketball.
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Even his ability to explode from the triple threat is slow ASF this season. He has the fastest first step from the triple threat in the NBA, but right now it's super slow.
See first response. It’s arguably his best trait. Last night alone it’s basically all he did aside from fast break. It’s literally his #1 strength. Read a book, preferably about basketball.
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His hops has also suffered a lot and he barely even tries to jump over defenders, jump into traffic, and only tries to dunk when the basket is wide open. His 2 dunks last night were so damn unathletic it's crazy. He is pulling so much extra weight around that it's so easy to see that he is MUCH slower and MUCH less athletic.
For your sake I hope you are a troll. If not, consider watching more pelicans basketball.
I could respond to the rest of your post but it’s pointless. You are watching games from a parallel universe.
This post was edited on 2/15/24 at 11:52 am
Posted on 2/15/24 at 4:44 pm to DetroitEWarren
What a nice, refreshing topic.
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