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re: Adding a room to a house without getting a permit
Posted on 1/22/24 at 7:52 am to TheHumanTornado
Posted on 1/22/24 at 7:52 am to TheHumanTornado
A closet. Has to have a closet.
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Posted on 1/22/24 at 7:54 am to Motownsix
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big government there are some really good reasons as to why we have building codes and building permits.
And if it is permitted, and if it passes inspection, and the inspector missed something which causes a fire and a portion or all of the home is destroyed because of the fire. Is the permitting and inspecting agency on the hook?
Posted on 1/22/24 at 7:56 am to Gordon Hayward
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We are getting the house lifted with grant money and they’ll be closing in the garage to make another room. I permit the parish to lick my balls if they have an issue.
That is a whole lot of shite talking for somebody that's accepting a government handout.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 8:29 am to lepdagod
After Katrina in St Bernard Parish, general rebuilding permits were not required for a while, as long as you were not adding / reducing the liveable area of the home. You only needeed permits for utility reconnections.
This is common knowledge down here and the banks understand it.
Well, after Southern Fidelity home insurance blew up, there were't many options available. One of them was Dover Bay. This company (owned by state farm) had an absolute fit about the lack of rebuilding permits, even though they were not legally required.
The solution was to get a four point inspection. Cost about $300. Dover Bay accepted it and that was that.
I don't really care if someone doesn't get a permit to do work on their own house. The problem comes in when you try to sell it to someone else. If you didn't get a permit, what else did you cut corners on?
I think a buyer has a fair expectation that things were done legally and to code. If no permit, that calls into question if things were done correctly.
So if you are never going to sell it, I don't care about permits.
But I can see where a buyer, or a mortgage company, would have concerns.
This is common knowledge down here and the banks understand it.
Well, after Southern Fidelity home insurance blew up, there were't many options available. One of them was Dover Bay. This company (owned by state farm) had an absolute fit about the lack of rebuilding permits, even though they were not legally required.
The solution was to get a four point inspection. Cost about $300. Dover Bay accepted it and that was that.
I don't really care if someone doesn't get a permit to do work on their own house. The problem comes in when you try to sell it to someone else. If you didn't get a permit, what else did you cut corners on?
I think a buyer has a fair expectation that things were done legally and to code. If no permit, that calls into question if things were done correctly.
So if you are never going to sell it, I don't care about permits.
But I can see where a buyer, or a mortgage company, would have concerns.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 10:27 am to lepdagod
Was the room added onto the house, as in an extension? Or was a large room split to add a bedroom? If the latter, immediately stop calling it a bedroom and call it something else, like office space, storage etc.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 10:33 am to lepdagod
I built an additional bedroom in my basement when my 2nd was born. I did not pull a permit, but I read the code book for my AHJ, and built everything to code, as well as took pictures throughout the process. If they have a problem when I go to sell it, they can look at the pictures after they're done licking my nuts.
I'll do whatever I want in my house to make it more useful and livable for my family.
ETA: I built a bedroom in the area where we have basement egress (full egress including an escape well). I also built a properly sized closet with independent electrical, as well as included an outlet on the new wall per code. All electrical were covered with blank plates and made into junction boxes to move the outlets down to proper height AFF)
I'll do whatever I want in my house to make it more useful and livable for my family.
ETA: I built a bedroom in the area where we have basement egress (full egress including an escape well). I also built a properly sized closet with independent electrical, as well as included an outlet on the new wall per code. All electrical were covered with blank plates and made into junction boxes to move the outlets down to proper height AFF)
This post was edited on 1/22/24 at 10:35 am
Posted on 1/22/24 at 10:43 am to PikesPeak
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read the code book for my AHJ, and built everything to code, as well as took pictures throughout the process.
They probably won't go for this
Posted on 1/22/24 at 10:48 am to lepdagod
Meh, I figure it'll be my best shot other than them ripping a hole in the wall to prove that I put fireblock sealant in my holes I ran my romex through.
But still...at the end of the day...they can lick my nuts, this is my house
But still...at the end of the day...they can lick my nuts, this is my house
Posted on 1/22/24 at 10:59 am to bayoudude
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Took in a back porch and added three rooms. Had ac ducts ran and did my own electrical. House sold and passed inspection no problem. I didn’t add roofline though
Same. Closed in a patio what was already under original roof. All work done to code.
This post was edited on 1/22/24 at 11:00 am
Posted on 1/22/24 at 11:29 am to TJack
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: Without a permit, the added room may not be recognized in the official records, potentially leading to issues with property assessments and appraisals
If it's just a room -- no plumbing -- it's just square footage and has no real impact on appraisals or assessments unless it's something like a finished basement that was previously unfinished or an actual addition.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 11:40 am to LSUFanHouston
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I think a buyer has a fair expectation that things were done legally and to code. If no permit, that calls into question if things were done correctly.
The process provides a false sense of security at best. The same entity that licenses contractors licenses drivers. The same entity charged with policing drivers polices contractors. The % of those who have no business driving nor building anything is about the same. The permitting process is a furtherance of the limitation on competition lobbied for by contractor groups.
I have an unrestricted electrical contractors license in 7 states and have had journeyman licenses in about that many more. I ran a succesful electrical contracting business for nearly 14 years in 7 states. I had a chance to go into the air conditioning business during this period. Applied to sit the exam in Georgia, board said did not meet the qualifications. I could wire ANY size system and do the controls...I wasn't qualified to buy them from a wholesale house (more on that in a minute). South Carolina, however, had a reciprocal agreement with Georgia and I sat the exam in South Carolina (exact same exam, given by the same company and identical application). I was qualified on one side of the savannah river to sit the exam, not on the other side. When I passed in South Carolina lo and behold I was qualified in Georgia. Did a little HVAC work but I had so much electrical work at the time that I never really made much effort to expand the HVAC work. As it turned out the state was dead wrong about me not being qualified to buy equipment though....I established accounts at several wholesale houses and bought units and installed units on military bases without any problem at all.
The licensing boards that determine qualifications are comprised of contractors in the business. Their main goal is to limit the amount of competition they face. There is NO exposure for them or anyone other than the consumer should one of the licensees they said was qualified is not. It is ALL about limiting competition.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 11:48 am to LCA131
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And if it is permitted, and if it passes inspection, and the inspector missed something which causes a fire and a portion or all of the home is destroyed because of the fire. Is the permitting and inspecting agency on the hook?
Not in the least...and the contractor is not off the hook if they still exist. The inspector and the inspecting entity has NO exposure whatsoever. Unless they have been bribed (it is common) they are immune and it is nearly impossible to prove that they are on the take.
Most of the time when a contractor has done something that causes someone to suffer damages there is no recourse because the courts are there to ensure that no one is liable except in extreme cases. The inspector and the inspection department is NEVER exposed...they are immune from liability. All the contractor has to do is file bankruptcy and go into business as another entity. Vendor accounts are the easiest thing in the world to establish...wholesale houses and the like will beat a path to your door for your business. The same is true of insurance (bonding) companies. They ONLY make money on premiums...and not paying claims. You can not be shady enough as a contractor to not be able to obtain credit and bonding. You may have a hard time with credit from a bank or traditional lender but wholesale houses will beg you for your business and in a year or so banks will be doing the same thing no matter how badly you fricked them a year ago. They only make money by lending money and selling material and selling insurance...all of them are HUNGRY and will eventually do business with anyone with a pulse who asks often enough.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 11:55 am to lepdagod
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read the code book for my AHJ, and built everything to code, as well as took pictures throughout the process.
They probably won't go for this
The problem is they may for one but not another. It is the same thing with contractors. Some are allowed to skirt issues and do shite no one in their right mind would do while another one, or a homeowner, would not. The entire process is subjective by design to limit competition.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 12:03 pm to AwgustaDawg
I have a rental property that has another house 20 feet from mine. 10 foot side setbacks. in the middle of those 2 houses there is a bank which was cut so the builder could build on slabs and not on crawlspaces. That bank is 10 feet tall at the back and is about 3 feet tall at the front. It is sloped at a 75 or more degree angle. WAAAAAAAYYYYYY out of compliance with the AHJ. Been that way for about 8 years. Of course it is eroding because why would it not be? I have been trying to build a retaining wall on that bank for nearly 3 years and the country insists it has to be designed by an engineer. It is no more disturbed earth now than it was when they approved the grading plan. If the wall were to collapse it would fall against my house. Its not like it is going to explode and send shrapnel flying...it will actually do far less damage to my house than the bank will when it fails. We bought the thing for a bargain and can sell if for a lot more than we paid for it but I hate to leave it like it is...but I am not paying an engineer to draw a picture of a commercial product being used exactly as designed.
The problem here is the county has allowed this contractor to cut grades like this all over the county...they also allow them to build on back fill LOL. The contractor is involved with a heap of litigation over it and will never lose a red penny. If the county allows me to correct their and the contractors "mistake" it is a bad look...and they ain't having that.
The problem here is the county has allowed this contractor to cut grades like this all over the county...they also allow them to build on back fill LOL. The contractor is involved with a heap of litigation over it and will never lose a red penny. If the county allows me to correct their and the contractors "mistake" it is a bad look...and they ain't having that.
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