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re: True Detective S4 Season Long Thread
Posted on 2/5/24 at 8:26 am to Damone
Posted on 2/5/24 at 8:26 am to Damone
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we to assume that the sister killed herself in the pitch dark arctic winter and somehow the coast guard found her within an hour even though she wasn’t reported missing?
Yeah, that was weird... When the coast guard called originally I was thinking "WTF" and then they explained she just kept walking until she fell off the cliff. But how would they know thats what happened and she wasn't murdered? And how did they identify her that quickly?
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 8:30 am to Lsut81
This show somehow makes me hate Jodie Foster. It makes her look like a terrible actress.
Pretty telling.
Pretty telling.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 8:32 am to SouthMSReb
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This show somehow makes me hate Jodie Foster. It makes her look like a terrible actress.
Yeah, just adds to the clusterfrick that is this season.
Had sooo much potential.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 8:57 am to yurintroubl
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Here's the right question - What does it take to light a Christmas tree on a dredge in the middle of nowhere?
It was a truck battery. The right question is : who the frick lugged a heavy arse truck battery all the way down there?
Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:02 am to Jsand43
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The right question is : who the frick lugged a heavy arse truck battery all the way down there?
Or why was Rose all dressed up and why did she cook sooo much food? Was it because she was there with them celebrating?
Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:03 am to Lsut81
Also, how did they ID the body and contact her? I guess it’s possible that she may have known the CG people up there but nothing within the show establishes that connection. All it would have taken would be a throwaway scene in town showing her acknowledging the CG guys.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:04 am to Jsand43
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It was a truck battery. The right question is : who the frick lugged a heavy arse truck battery all the way down there?
that's the wrong question. the right question is: why would someone lug a heavy arse truck battery all the way down there??
(this wrong question theme in the show is super annoying - virtually every single "wrong" question so far is, in reality, a pretty good question)
Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:06 am to Lsut81
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Or why was Rose all dressed up and why did she cook sooo much food? Was it because she was there with them celebrating?
I honestly don't remember because I often zone out on this show, has anyone else talked to Rose besides Navarro?
This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 9:07 am
Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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What I can't wait for is the writer this season to flip out at all the backlash and try to say something like how audiences don't care about the detective work, and they want to focus on all the other stuff.
This is actually a problem with modern mystery novels as well. I'm a fan of the classics like Doyle/Sherlock and Christie/Poroit, etc. You became familiar and grew to love the characters, but at the heart, all of the stories were always about the mystery.
With modern mystery novels, authors have completely given up on the mystery and only focus on the characters. Yes, character development is great, but if you're writing a mystery, you have to make the mystery interesting no matter how good you make the characters.
This just feels like a modern mystery novel. Only focused on the characters and very little to the mystery. And their trick with the mystery is is the shock factor and supernatural. The detective work is just completely on the back burner.
At this point, it's just a show to watch on Sunday/Monday. I'll give it props for being a very good looking/well shot show and has a good feel to it, but I'm not too invested.
At this point I 100% like Navarro more than I do Danvers. Danvers bangs every dude in town, cusses non stop, is a pretty bad "mother", terrible/inconsiderate boss, and really not even that good of a detective. Not really sure why I should like her character. I at least have some sympathy for Navarro. And you might not like how her character was written but she has actually done a pretty good job acting. She definitely isn't holding the show back with her acting like people were making out in episode 1 and 2.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:13 am to iwyLSUiwy
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And you might not like how her character was written but she has actually done a pretty good job acting. She definitely isn't holding the show back with her acting like people were making out in episode 1 and 2.
i agree with this. i think she's done a pretty decent job, and she is a much better actor than a lot of people on this thread have given her credit for. i think she has also gotten better by episode.
Foster is pretty awful.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:14 am to Jsand43
Also, did anyone else notice that Navarro was driving an F-250 and then when she's fighting the guys she's driving a Chevy?
Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:48 am to Lsut81
After this episode, I am starting to think that we are be told a story through the multiple personalities of Navarro.
This is going to be about her trauma, relationship to her culture, her job and her past manifesting in different personalities, psychotic breaks, whatever.
This is going to be about her trauma, relationship to her culture, her job and her past manifesting in different personalities, psychotic breaks, whatever.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:55 am to lakeviewtiger
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I am starting to think that we are be told a story through the multiple personalities of Navarro.
i mean that would at least be something. give me a Fight Club / Identity (underrated movie) twist.
This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 10:02 am
Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:57 am to lakeviewtiger
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has anyone else talked to Rose besides Navarro?
Thats a great question... I don't think we've seen her speaking with anyone else. I think it was referenced that she was the one that called in, but no on screen with anyone else except Rust's dad, which was a flashback.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:59 am to lakeviewtiger
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After this episode, I am starting to think that we are be told a story through the multiple personalities of Navarro.
Ah, good call... going the "Identity" route?
Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:59 am to Lsut81
Speaking of Reddit, someone enhanced this photo from episode 2. Same yellow jacket Rose was wearing
This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 10:02 am
Posted on 2/5/24 at 10:05 am to Sam Quint
Alright, I didn’t say anything on episode 3 (in part because I got busy, in other part because I wanted to see where this was going). But now I’ve got some thoughts:
- why is this show piggybacking off of season 1? This is straight up Season 1 co-oped fan fiction and I was really hoping it wasn’t going to be. But it’s committing the mortal sin of bad horror movies; we’re being given WAY TOO MUCH INFO that is further diluting the mystery of the villain. Know what’s scarier than actual ghosts and one-eyed polar bears? Rich people who hold the belief that ritual sacrifice is not only ok but an imperative. We have lost the fricking plot from season 1, enough so that I can mercifully look at this as non-canon
- we’re 4-going-on-5 episodes into this show and WE STILL DONT HAVE AN ACTUAL CRIME YET. 5 guys freezing in the ice (even in grotesque fashion) is not an obvious crime. I’m still being made to wonder if the water is poisoned and everyone has irreversible brain damage, if some people can just see ghosts (because: sure, whatever), or if there is an actual nefarious person or persons running around doing shite. Contrast with season 1: we are quite literally presented in the first few scenes with the naked, bound, antler-crowned body of Dora Lange at the foot of a giant spiral-stick formation on a tree covered in devil nets (and that’s after we see a cane field being burned in the dark). Right off the bat, we don’t know who did it but we know someone did and the whole season is going to come down to finding a hat person or persons.
Why weren’t we presented with Annie Kowtok’s murder first (the actual crime this season seems to be chasing)? Why did the writers contrive this grotesque Carpenter-allusion as the set up and then shoehorn in the actual plot-driving cold case later?
- the lack of a simple and coherent storyline is hampering any real character development that could be taking place. Hell, I don’t actually know who or what the main characters are even trying to save or protect. Danvers is still a bitch. Navarro is… well, also a bitch. Neither have really grown more or less bitchy. They’re just angry people running around being angry in the shittiest place on earth. Why? What is this for? In Season 1, Marty and Rust had their motivations about avenging/protecting women and children who were being victimized by the cult. Season 3, same thing albeit with missing children. Who are these damaged police officers in season 4 even looking out for? Research scientists? The native people (maybe this is the angle for Navarro, I guess)?
The whole season has boiled down to them chasing this maybe-a-crime because… there’s not much else to do.
- why is this show piggybacking off of season 1? This is straight up Season 1 co-oped fan fiction and I was really hoping it wasn’t going to be. But it’s committing the mortal sin of bad horror movies; we’re being given WAY TOO MUCH INFO that is further diluting the mystery of the villain. Know what’s scarier than actual ghosts and one-eyed polar bears? Rich people who hold the belief that ritual sacrifice is not only ok but an imperative. We have lost the fricking plot from season 1, enough so that I can mercifully look at this as non-canon
- we’re 4-going-on-5 episodes into this show and WE STILL DONT HAVE AN ACTUAL CRIME YET. 5 guys freezing in the ice (even in grotesque fashion) is not an obvious crime. I’m still being made to wonder if the water is poisoned and everyone has irreversible brain damage, if some people can just see ghosts (because: sure, whatever), or if there is an actual nefarious person or persons running around doing shite. Contrast with season 1: we are quite literally presented in the first few scenes with the naked, bound, antler-crowned body of Dora Lange at the foot of a giant spiral-stick formation on a tree covered in devil nets (and that’s after we see a cane field being burned in the dark). Right off the bat, we don’t know who did it but we know someone did and the whole season is going to come down to finding a hat person or persons.
Why weren’t we presented with Annie Kowtok’s murder first (the actual crime this season seems to be chasing)? Why did the writers contrive this grotesque Carpenter-allusion as the set up and then shoehorn in the actual plot-driving cold case later?
- the lack of a simple and coherent storyline is hampering any real character development that could be taking place. Hell, I don’t actually know who or what the main characters are even trying to save or protect. Danvers is still a bitch. Navarro is… well, also a bitch. Neither have really grown more or less bitchy. They’re just angry people running around being angry in the shittiest place on earth. Why? What is this for? In Season 1, Marty and Rust had their motivations about avenging/protecting women and children who were being victimized by the cult. Season 3, same thing albeit with missing children. Who are these damaged police officers in season 4 even looking out for? Research scientists? The native people (maybe this is the angle for Navarro, I guess)?
The whole season has boiled down to them chasing this maybe-a-crime because… there’s not much else to do.
This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 10:08 am
Posted on 2/5/24 at 10:14 am to Sam Quint
You can tell Foster knows the writing is shite. The scenes with she and Navarro riding together are so awful and the constant harping on “no God” is redundant as hell. We get it, she doesn’t believe in god, does she have to remind us of that every 30 seconds? Last night there was a scene cut where you can hear her say it again for no reason at all. Another aggravating and forced storyline was when the young cop has to work on Christmas Eve going to the nomad camp with Navarro. Why didn’t his dad just go in his place? He wasn’t doing anything and could’ve gone but we have to force the narrative of his loyalty to Danvers so something easy like his dad taking his place so he could spend Christmas with his family can’t happen. It’s all just so sloppy and disjointed, like someone else said there hasn’t even been a crime established yet and we’re 4 of 6 total episodes in. Just an awful show.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 10:15 am to tylerdurden24
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we’re 4-going-on-5 episodes into this show and WE STILL DONT HAVE AN ACTUAL CRIME YET.
quote:They addressed it in the first episode. Not sure where you're getting the "no actual crime" premise.
Why weren’t we presented with Annie Kowtok’s murder first
Danvers fully stated that she's treating the deaths of the scientists as a murder investigation.
Connelly is in Ennis because of the recent crime wave.
Plenty to pick apart in this series, but that's an odd take.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 10:17 am to Fewer Kilometers
At this point it just feels like they keep throwing more shite out there without any real hints at resolution.
As said, Navarro’s bar boy is definitely involved but it feels way, way to open ended in every other aspect to realistically hit the landing with two episodes left.
As said, Navarro’s bar boy is definitely involved but it feels way, way to open ended in every other aspect to realistically hit the landing with two episodes left.
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