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Connor O’Gara from Saturday Down South’s new article
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:46 am
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:46 am
He just tweeted an article ranking the 10 Heisman winners in the playoff era and said, “the Jayden didn’t have a Heisman moment guys aren’t going to like this”.
Has him as the 3rd best Heisman winner behind Lamar Jackson at 2 and Burrow at 1.
2 of the top 3. Not too bad.
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Has him as the 3rd best Heisman winner behind Lamar Jackson at 2 and Burrow at 1.
2 of the top 3. Not too bad.
LINK
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:49 am to dallastiger55
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3. 2023 Jayden Daniels
You’re gonna tell me that I’m being a prisoner of the moment. Fine. I’m gonna tell you to look beyond the 3 losses, wherein LSU’s defense allowed at least 42 points, and look at just how remarkable Daniels was. He currently has the best quarterback rating ever for an FBS player (208), he hit 50 touchdowns in just 12 games and he averaged more total yards/play (10.7) than any player in the Playoff era. Only 4 Power 5 players have ever had 40 touchdown passes and 5 interceptions or fewer in a season, and Daniels (along with Bo Nix) is set to join that club. Mind you, he’s a 1,000-yard rusher who is No. 2 in the SEC in that department. None of those other guys hit 700 pre-Heisman rushing yards.
If you want to find a negative for Daniels, it’s that he lost the 2 biggest games on his schedule. Jordan Travis indeed outplayed him in the second half of the season opener in Orlando, but Daniels “losing to Alabama” was also the byproduct of him taking a violent hit and getting knocked out of the game in the 4th quarter. He’s worthy of being on the shortlist for best Heisman winners of the Playoff era.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:50 am to LSUDVM1999
The Legend:
1. 2019 Joe Burrow
Where should we start? How about the fact that in 13 pre-Heisman games, Burrow racked up 51 total touchdowns and 5,020 yards of offense (don’t forget about those 16 receiving yards). He had a 48-6 pre-Heisman TD-INT ratio and averaged 10.7 yards/attempt for an LSU team that dominated in ways that we had never seen. Burrow was so in control that no LSU opponent possessed the ball in the 4th quarter with a chance to take the lead. Mind you, that was with a schedule that included 5 top-10 foes pre-Heisman and 7 including the Playoff. Against teams that were ranked in the final AP Top 25, Burrow had a 27-2 TD-INT ratio. No other quarterback in the last 15 years had more than 22 TD passes in those spots (2020 Mac Jones and 2022 Stetson Bennett IV were the only other QBs with at least 20).
What Burrow did would’ve been the stuff of legend if it happened against a Group of 5 schedule. The fact that he lit up a schedule that grueling will stand the test of time.
1. 2019 Joe Burrow
Where should we start? How about the fact that in 13 pre-Heisman games, Burrow racked up 51 total touchdowns and 5,020 yards of offense (don’t forget about those 16 receiving yards). He had a 48-6 pre-Heisman TD-INT ratio and averaged 10.7 yards/attempt for an LSU team that dominated in ways that we had never seen. Burrow was so in control that no LSU opponent possessed the ball in the 4th quarter with a chance to take the lead. Mind you, that was with a schedule that included 5 top-10 foes pre-Heisman and 7 including the Playoff. Against teams that were ranked in the final AP Top 25, Burrow had a 27-2 TD-INT ratio. No other quarterback in the last 15 years had more than 22 TD passes in those spots (2020 Mac Jones and 2022 Stetson Bennett IV were the only other QBs with at least 20).
What Burrow did would’ve been the stuff of legend if it happened against a Group of 5 schedule. The fact that he lit up a schedule that grueling will stand the test of time.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:52 am to dallastiger55
It's kinda true. There wasn't that one play that had everyone talking like you've seen a lot in the past. It would've been the pass to win the game against Ole Miss if Hilton held on.
But Jayden didn't need a defining play to earn it, he just decided to have a defining season instead.
But Jayden didn't need a defining play to earn it, he just decided to have a defining season instead.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:57 am to dallastiger55
It was a truly remarkable season for Daniels.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:01 am to OJsLifeCoach
Yea brah. That 85 yd td run was problematic I see. for the OP's author.
This post was edited on 12/11/23 at 9:02 am
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:37 am to themunch
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That 85 yd td run was problematic I see. for the OP's author.
As good as that run was, the 51 yarder in that same game was better, IMO. That was classic JD, where he seems to move through groups of would be tacklers and they can't put a finger on him. I swear it seems like he has a force field around him at times...
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:40 am to Jax-Tiger
I've had the same argument with my friends who are Tiger fans. His entire season was filled with moments of him keeping us in games.
He did things that no player has EVER done.....EVER.
He did things that no player has EVER done.....EVER.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:40 am to Jax-Tiger
Two plays in one game and this author can't see for looking.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 10:48 am to dallastiger55
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Has him as the 3rd best Heisman winner behind Lamar Jackson at 2 and Burrow at 1.
JD5 should really be #2, with Jackson even behind a couple other winners on his list.
Lamar's 56% cfb accuracy was quite mediocre, even bench worthy, and I suspect his NFL success swayed writer's opinion.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 10:58 am to Jax-Tiger
Agree, the 85 yarder was awesome. The 51 yarder was video game like.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 11:40 am to LSUDVM1999
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Jordan Travis indeed outplayed him in the second half of the season opener in Orlando,
Did he?
TWO plays changed the entire game. Neither of which were on Daniels.
In a 17-17 game LSU faced a 3rd down in FSU territory. Daniels threw a great pass to Lacy on a slant. Lacy dropped it. Had he caught it, LSU, at minimum, picks up the first down deeper in FSU territory. At most, Lacy has open space to run and turns it into a TD. Instead, LSU had to punt and FSU quickly marched downfield to go up 24-17.
The next drive LSU is on the move again. On the final play of the 3rd quarter Daniels hits Thomas down the sideline on a deep ball that would have set up LSU inside the FSU redzone except...Thomas drops the ball. The very next play Daniels throws a perfect comeback route...except Nabers stumbles and falls down, thus allowing an easy INT. In what would soon become the norm for the season, FSU would score again to go up 31-17, and would not stop scoring TDs until the clock struck zero.
That would be Daniels's "worst" game of the season. A game where he would generate 410 yards of total offense (346 + 64)
It's blasphemous to some to say this, but you can make a strong argument Daniels had a better regular season than even Burrow because Daniels had to carry more of the load himself. Even Burrow had the luxury of one "sub-par" game (Auburn). Daniels didn't. He had to be dynamite on almost every single drive to give LSU a chance to win because it was very likely the defense wasn't going to get more than 1-2 stops per game.
Don't get me wrong, Nabers and Thomas were outstanding and made Daniels look even better. But so did Chase and Jefferson for Burrow. But even though LSU's defense in 2019 wasn't good for most of the season, you rarely got the sense LSU had no margin for error (absent the 2nd half of Texas and Alabama, plus the Florida game). With Daniels you felt like he had to score every time out or LSU had no chance to win. I can't imagine how much pressure that puts on one guy. Pressure that probably cracks 99% of players...except for the one guy who seemed to be immune from immense pressure and never seemed to overreact...ever!
Posted on 12/11/23 at 11:56 am to LSUDVM1999
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The fact that he lit up a schedule that grueling will stand the test of time.
The postseason will always be the differentiating factor. But was the 2019 regular season schedule really that much more "grueling" than the 2023 reg season schedule? And did Daniels, individually, have a lesser performance against it? Hard to say that he didn't.
2023 FSU was much better than 2019 Texas. Daniels had 410 yards of offense in that game. Two key drops by Lacy and Thomas did LSU in. But neither were Daniels's fault.
2023 Missouri was MUCH better than 2019 Vanderbilt. The 2023 Florida game will always go down as Daniel's best game. But I'd argue given the caliber of opponent, venue, and fact that Daniels was playing through significant pain, Missouri may have been his finest hour. He had 389 total yards and 4 TDs against a really good Missouri team.
There will always be debate over if the 2023 Alabama team was better than the 2019 Alabama team. Record and achievement wise the 2023 team is better. But I think the 2019 team had more individual talent. Regardless, Daniels was destroying Alabama until he got taken out of the game. 219 yards passing. 163 yards rushing. 3 TDs...in 3 quarters. LSU likely doesn't win that game even if Daniels plays throughout because House and the defense were complete shite. But it's not unreasonable to think LSU at least hangs 42 points and Daniels accounts for close to 500 yards of offense if he stays in.
The 2023 Ole Miss team was infinitely better than the 2019 Ole Miss team. It still makes me want to throw up that House wasted such a great performance by Daniels. 513 total yards, 5 TDs, 49 total points...in a LOSS!
Again, what Burrow did in the postseason may never be matched. But from a regular season perspective it's hard to say the two weren't equal
Posted on 12/11/23 at 12:07 pm to LSUDVM1999
Many of these sportswriters would not know greatness if it punched them in the dick. This article is spot on though (except LSU made Lamar their bitch in the bowl game)
Posted on 12/11/23 at 12:08 pm to Jax-Tiger
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As good as that run was, the 51 yarder in that same game was better, IMO.
Bingo. That run was art.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 1:07 pm to dallastiger55
His “Heisman moment” was the yards and record in 1 game vs Florida.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 1:11 pm to dallastiger55
The whole florida game was his heisman moment . Huge plays against ole miss to keep us in it, but ultimately came up short. Same with Mizzou but we came out with the Win that game.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 1:27 pm to Relham10
The "problem" is that Daniels had so many Heisman moments, that it became the norm for him. People are looking back for one moment that was greater than them all. Saying that he didn't have "the Heisman moment" ignores the fact that he had 20+ of them.
So, they are punishing him in their mind because he was extraordinary in way more moments this season than most guys have in their entire career.
So, they are punishing him in their mind because he was extraordinary in way more moments this season than most guys have in their entire career.
This post was edited on 12/11/23 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 12/11/23 at 1:37 pm to Jax-Tiger
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As good as that run was, the 51 yarder in that same game was better, IMO. That was classic JD, where he seems to move through groups of would be tacklers and they can't put a finger on him. I swear it seems like he has a force field around him at times...
That was the Heisman moment for me. I was sitting in the SEZ and lost track of him for a second. Then I saw him appear from a group of UF defenders at the 15 yd line with no one around him. I thought WTF where'd he come from?
This post was edited on 12/11/23 at 1:39 pm
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