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Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:16 am to VetteGuy
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But losing $30K per vehicle isn't sustainable for legacy manufacturers, and it's really tough on startups ( Rivian).
It's tough but it's possible and quite profitable if you do it the right way.
Remember in 2008 when the CEO's of the major car manufactures rolled to Capitol Hill to beg for bailouts in private jets? There's reasons why they can't survive getting into the market - because they're already too big to survive without subsidies.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 1:12 pm to achenator
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real world test of silverado EV towing 6500lbs for 230 miles. youtube vid LINK
They must have really improved the batteries then. The Ford Lightning only got 80 miles pulling a trailer. Plus, good luck finding a charging station at the deer lease, baw.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 1:14 pm to Strannix
Ford leaders are White Christian males.
White Christian males are destroying the environment and economy /s
White Christian males are destroying the environment and economy /s
Posted on 11/22/23 at 1:18 pm to BuckyCheese
You made my point. Ford did it on their own without government intervention. My post didn’t say they were doing great compared to GM and Chrysler.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 1:30 pm to billjamin
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I’m here for the math check. Let’s see it.
It's very apparent you guys can't math. Math is pure accountability, not words you can choose to apply to what you determine significant or not. nothing about EVs was more financially or environmentally responsible because it was a fantasy. Folks put feelings over math.
End of fantasy. Looks like the accountants have called it quits because the subsidies aren't coming to help sweep the real overhead cost that is required with these vehicles.
So it doesn't matter what you argue, doesn't matter what you think, the price of all EV parts are only going up at this point because IE combustion engines are going to get all the operating income from automakers. It'll be a special choice to own one, therefore a higher cost with anything involved than what it already is.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 11/23/23 at 12:07 am to billjamin
Posted on 11/23/23 at 2:46 am to Giantkiller
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[electric] drivers will be able to take advantage of saving at the pump.
Wasn’t there an article posted recently that driving an electric is equivalent to paying $17/ gal for gasoline?
I’ve seen pics and read articles about diesel generators powering electric charging stations. That must be propaganda, as electricity is totally clean and made of unicorn farts and pixie dust. And electricians are happy to rewire peoples’ houses to power ev chargers for free.
I can’t see how anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together falls for this bullshite.
Edit: If I can’t drive from south of NO to Shreveport without having to stop and recharge overnight, I will never consider this a serious transportation option.
This post was edited on 11/23/23 at 2:53 am
Posted on 11/23/23 at 10:32 am to AcadieAnne
quote:This drive requires 45 min of charging.
If I can’t drive from south of NO to Shreveport without having to stop and recharge overnight, I will never consider this a serious transportation option.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 10:43 am to BrohanDavey
quote:Is that the same one he’s talking about? The one they used for ecoboost development and not EVs?
Ford & Dept. of Energy
Posted on 11/23/23 at 10:44 am to GeauxTigersLee
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This drive requires 45 min of charging.
30 in a long range Model 3.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 10:46 am to Strannix
What about that giant shite show off 65 in rural KY?
Posted on 11/24/23 at 1:50 am to GeauxTigersLee
Really? Your takeaway was that despite there being almost no charging stations in the rural areas between south of NO and Shreveport, paying for the privilege of driving an ev for over $17/ gal of gas is ok? I’m an Xer, but I’m about to get “I can’t even” on you people.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 6:17 am to AcadieAnne
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Really? Your takeaway was that despite there being almost no charging stations in the rural areas between south of NO and Shreveport, paying for the privilege of driving an ev for over $17/ gal of gas is ok? I’m an Xer, but I’m about to get “I can’t even” on you people
The others in this thread aren't the ones making exaggerated claims like you did:
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If I can’t drive from south of NO to Shreveport without having to stop and recharge overnight, I will never consider this a serious transportation option.
When this clearly isn't the case. There are many superchargers on the route and charging as already stated would take 30-45 mins and not overnight.
EVs clearly have their limitations as discussed ad nauseum in other threads as well. I certainly wouldn't own one if I was a road warrior, lived in a cold environment, couldn't install my own charger at home, or had to tow greater than 100 miles on a regular basis. You can make EVs work in those cases but often at either increased convenience and or cost. Luckily the above use isn't what the majority of people use and EVs do have a great utility in most other cases.
But whatever, no matter how many times this is discussed the topic is polarizing and people are steadfast in their lane.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 6:29 am to Strannix
I saw my neighbor’s Tesla being loaded up on a flatbed wrecker this week, I hope he missed the delight I took in watching.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 6:44 am to AcadieAnne
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Wasn’t there an article posted recently that driving an electric is equivalent to paying $17/ gal for gasoline?
It said the cost was $17/gal after accounting for subsidies, which is a retarded argument meant to influence mouth breathers like yourself.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 7:31 am to Hateradedrink
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subsidies
None of these “Green Energy” replacements work without the Government pouring tons of tax dollars into leveling the playing field with what they are seeking to replace. Don’t even get me started on the ethanol boondoggle.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 7:36 am to Icansee4miles
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None of these “Green Energy” replacements work without the Government pouring tons of tax dollars into leveling the playing field with what they are seeking to replace.
You do realize that the oil and gas industry is heavily subsidized, correct?
Posted on 11/24/23 at 7:42 am to Corinthians420
So it’s taking him 112 hours plus the actual drive time? This can’t be true.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 7:42 am to bigtiger440
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It seems like the foreign car manufacturers are headed toward hybrids
This should always have been the plan.
Always.
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