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Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:27 am to NC_Tigah
The average score in 2022 was 19.5. Let me give you a real-world example of how stupid the average ACT taker is:
In 1993, I dropped out of high school to make more time for drugs and low-level thuggery. The last grade I successfully completed was the 9th. In the year 2000, I decided to see if I could get into college, so 7 years after dropping out and having not not set foot in a classroom or studied a single text book I scored a 28 on the ACT.
In 1993, I dropped out of high school to make more time for drugs and low-level thuggery. The last grade I successfully completed was the 9th. In the year 2000, I decided to see if I could get into college, so 7 years after dropping out and having not not set foot in a classroom or studied a single text book I scored a 28 on the ACT.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:28 am to GeauxtigersMs36
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So all the scores that dropped were in union taught schools?
No, the union schools are just a far worse value.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:28 am to 4cubbies
quote:I loved a lot of them. And 100% of the ones that I loved took a personal interest in their students, slowed down or sped up based on student comprehension and disciplined the classroom to make it an environment all could learn in....while having a little fun.
I find it so interesting that every one of you have had many, many teachers over your lifetimes and you truly hate them all
Todays educators cant operate in that environment. Blame who you want, Unions, State Gov, Fed Gov, local districts but it is just a terrible setting.
Unfortunately there are many, many, many great teachers that are getting their lights snuffed out because of all the bullshite going on in the industry.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:31 am to olgoi khorkhoi
quote:This is more a story of what the average IQ is - it's 100. That is stunningly low.
The average score in 2022 was 19.5. Let me give you a real-world example of how stupid the average ACT taker is:
In 1993, I dropped out of high school to make more time for drugs and low-level thuggery. The last grade I successfully completed was the 9th. In the year 2000, I decided to see if I could get into college, so 7 years after dropping out and having not not set foot in a classroom or studied a single text book I scored a 28 on the ACT.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:35 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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The average score in 2022 was 19.5. Let me give you a real-world example of how stupid the average ACT taker is:
In 1993, I dropped out of high school to make more time for drugs and low-level thuggery. The last grade I successfully completed was the 9th. In the year 2000, I decided to see if I could get into college, so 7 years after dropping out and having not not set foot in a classroom or studied a single text book I scored a 28 on the ACT.
Damn....
But congrat!
Posted on 11/7/23 at 10:03 am to GeauxtigersMs36
quote:Kids in private/parochial schools actually attended class, while public schools were shuttered. That educational dichotomy continued, often for more than a year. School closure severely impacted learning at all levels.
So all the scores that dropped were in union taught schools?
So yes, the vast number of scores that dropped were in instances of extended school closure. The unions were malignant proponents of closure.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 10:47 am to NC_Tigah
I'd be really curious to get the observations of those in the test prep/tutoring industry.
My guess is testing has become too relaxed, which is poor preparation for the environment under which standardized tests operate.
My guess is testing has become too relaxed, which is poor preparation for the environment under which standardized tests operate.
This post was edited on 11/7/23 at 10:51 am
Posted on 11/7/23 at 10:56 am to 4cubbies
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In Louisiana, schools shut down because the teachers unions demanded it.
FIFY
Posted on 11/7/23 at 10:57 am to 4cubbies
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have had many, many teachers over your lifetimes and you truly hate them all
I honestly never had any good teachers until college. Real talk. The Alabama Educators Association turned the teaching profession in Alabama into "get tenure and then stop trying."
Posted on 11/7/23 at 10:57 am to imjustafatkid
There was maybe one or two schools with teachers unions in New Orleans in March of 2020 yet all the non-teacher union schools in New Orleans shut down. What’s your explanation for that?
Posted on 11/7/23 at 10:58 am to imjustafatkid
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My kid is a Junior and killing it. Colleges are going to be falling all over themselves to give her money.
As long as she doesn't check "white" or "Asian" in the race section...
Posted on 11/7/23 at 11:00 am to NC_Tigah
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The governor said so because the unions told him to.
This is not true. Do you have evidence to support this?
Posted on 11/7/23 at 12:40 pm to bird35
quote:The relevance is income level. Higher income dropped the least. Impoverished dropped the most. Insofar as other categorizations (race, ethnicity, geographic region) track income, those groups performed accordingly.
Now do demographics.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 1:34 pm to the808bass
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Do you think the Covid shutdowns didn’t affect white kids? Cuz it did.
Yeap, especially in Florida where DeSantis shut down his state.
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The nonprofit behind the ACT uses scores to predict how well students will perform in college. According to the ACT, over four out of 10 seniors did not meet the college readiness benchmarks.
Orange County Public Schools have been working closely with students to increase their scores.
30 year low in Florida.
But dont worry, this is how you combat it..
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In recent years, many colleges have dropped test requirements and become what’s called a “Test Optional” college.
Florida hosts a list of these schools, including Rollins College, The University of Tampa, and The University of Miami.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 2:12 pm to 4cubbies
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There was maybe one or two schools with teachers unions in New Orleans in March of 2020 yet all the non-teacher union schools in New Orleans shut down. What’s your explanation for that?
I love the level of dishonesty from the pro-teacher crowd. I worked in school systems and audit governments for living lady. I know the influence teachers unions hold even in systems with "no unions." Your lies don't work on me.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 2:14 pm to imjustafatkid
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I love the level of dishonesty from the pro-teacher crowd
They dont give a shite about education, only that teachers are "heroes."
Posted on 11/7/23 at 2:40 pm to imjustafatkid
quote:. Is this your explanation for why non-union schools shut down when the governor told them to?
love the level of dishonesty from the pro-teacher crowd. I worked in school systems and audit governments for living lady. I know the influence teachers unions hold even in systems with "no unions." Your lies don't work on me.
ETA everything I said is easily verifiable. What about your claims?
This post was edited on 11/7/23 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 11/7/23 at 3:58 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Oh cubs, come on.
This is not true. Do you have evidence to support this?
In summer of 2020, Randi Weingarten "collaborated" with the CDC to develop school "safety" standards which she knew were unmeetable. There was virtually no scientific basis for them, yet the CDC gave the imbecile freehand to basically write the CDC's school reopening criteria herself.
That tactic was rolled into LA by the LFT (You know this, right?) with the LFT's "health-based" "minimum safety standards for the reopening of public schools." JBE did his best sock-puppet routine, parroting LFT talking reopening points exactly.
As Edwards said on stage with the head of the NEA, "I get painted as a person who is close to teachers unions. Well, I'm not going to distance myself."
The LDOE recognized the impossibility of implementing the union's school "safety" standards. So it pulled a Pontius Pilate, washed its hands of the mess, and turfed the issue to the districts. (You know this, right?)
At district level, more parental pressure drove local boards to push for reopening. The unions pitched a fit! Then all hell broke loose when the state legislature tried to unwind """CDC-based""" minimum reopening criteria. (Again, you follow this stuff, so you know this, correct?)
In the end, LA public schools severely underserved their poorest, most needy students. They did it callously, and with political motive.
Kids with nuclear families, computers, oversight, and a quiet supportive study environment were less impacted. The have-havenot gap widened dramatically.
Considering your bent against the further disadvantagement of impoverished individuals (a predisposition which I share w/ you), and your educational background, I am surprised you'd not be seething at the disservice Weingarten et al did to disadvantaged kids.
Facts are overtaking Randi btw. LBJ said "If I’ve lost Cronkite, I’ve lost the country." For Weingarten, if she's lost 'The Atlantic' and 'Vanity Fair', she's lost her base. Both those liberal mags have her on blast. If I were you, I'd celebrate that ... heartily.
I know I will celebrate in my field when the tide finally (similarly) turns on Fauci, and it will.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 4:02 pm to 4cubbies
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4cubbies
What a shitty job you're doing.
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