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US Troops wore IDF uniforms in Israel (old controversy)

Posted on 10/24/23 at 12:29 pm
Posted by 38tigers
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Posted on 10/24/23 at 12:29 pm

Former Delta Force chief shunned for relating experiences in book

By Sean D. Naylor
snaylor@militarytimes.com

Delta Force and its higher head­quarters have declared retired Lt. Gen. William "Jerry" Boykin -- the controversial former senior Pentagon intelligence official and ex-commander of the secretive unit -- "persona non grata" for writing about the force in his memoir, according to sources in the special operations community. Being "PNG'd" has no legal sig­nificance but requires members of the organizations involved to shun the person.

Boykin is in hot water for break­ing the unwritten rule that Delta operators should not publicize their experiences in the unit and including in the book a photo­graph of him and a future Army chief of staff wearing Israeli uni­forms while working in Israel for Delta, according to the sources.

In a telephone interview, Boykin said the only action he was aware of was the withdrawal of an invi­tation to speak at a Joint Special Operations University event, "Combating Terrorism Executive Interagency Seminar," held July 29-30 in northern Virginia for se­nior intelligence and Defense De­partment personnel. That was when his book was published.

But Boykin said that being PNG'd from Delta would have a significant emotional impact.

"It's not superficial," he said. "Obviously it bothers me. ... I don't have any intention of spending a lot of time in the compound, but to be isolated from an organization that I spent so much of my life in would be a very painful thing." U.S. Special Operations Com­mand spokesman Ken McGraw de­clined to say whether Delta or its higher headquarters, Joint Special Operations Command, had PNG'd Boykin.

McGraw said "USSOCOM does not provide information con­cerning special mission units." However, McGraw issued a statement about what he de­scribed as "the unauthorized pub­lication of classified information."

The statement said: "It is surpris­ing and disappointing when former service members who held posi­tions of special trust and responsi­bility elect to release information that is sensitive, classified or other­wise protected. The release of such information may put people, rela­tionships and operations at risk and is contrary to the values and ideals of special operations forces." Boykin is not the first former Delta member to be PNG'd for going public, but he is by far the highest-profile alumnus of the special mission unit to be treated in such a manner. An original member of Delta, Boykin was the first person to complete the ardu­ous 40-mile march in Delta's as­sessment and selection process. He rose to become the deputy un­dersecretary of defense for intelli­gence from 2003 until his retire­ment in November 2007.

Boykin became the focus of con­troversy in October 2003 when NBC News and The Los Angeles Times reported -- falsely, he claims -- on speeches he had given to Christian groups. The controversy dogged the remaining years of his career.

Boykin's side

To present his side of the story, Boykin wrote (with Lynn Vincent) a book called "Never Surrender" that was published July 29. While the book rebuts many of the criti­cisms, (he denies accusations that he made negative comments about Islam or cast the war on terrorism as a religious war), much of "Never Surrender" is a recounting of his career in the special opera­tions community, with a particular emphasis on the time he spent in Delta, which is based at Fort Bragg, N.C. The unit's full name is 1st Special Forces Operational De­tachment-Delta.

While Boykin and other sources in the special operations commu­nity acknowledge that the book contains little in the way of new information on Delta and its oper­ations (Boykin turned over com­mand of the unit in 1994), the re­sponse from Delta and its higher headquarters was swift.

During a video teleconference, JSOC commander Vice Adm. William McRaven told his subor­dinate commanders to avoid con­tact with Boykin, on account of Boykin allegedly violating the trust placed in him, said a source who served with Boykin in Delta and who has known him for al­most his entire military career.

Delta's commander, a colonel who Marine Corps Times agreed not to name in this story at the re­quest of U.S. Army Special Opera­tions Command, issued a memo "basically saying [Boykin's] no longer welcome on the [Delta] com­pound," said a Fort Bragg source. The Delta commander acknowl­edged in the memo that he had not read Boykin's book, but he noted with concern the book's inclusion of a photograph of Boykin and then­Delta officer and future Army chief of staff Peter Schoomaker in Israel wearing Israeli uniforms, the Fort Bragg source said.

In the Marine Corps Times in­terview, Boykin said he had heard that McRaven had discussed his book in a video teleconference. However, he said he'd spoken with USSOCom commander Adm. Eric Olson and U.S. Army Special Op­erations Command chief Lt. Gen. Robert Wagner, and neither they nor any JSOC or Delta official had told him about being PNG'd.

The book has left a lot of Delta per­sonnel "pretty disappointed," said a former member. "It's kind of an un­derstanding that if you go to work there, you don't talk about it."


COURTESY HACHETTE BOOK GROUP
William "Jerry" Boykin, right, is shown with Pete Schoomaker, a former Delta officer and later Army chief of staff, in Israel in a photo that sources say raised concerns about Boykin's book "Never Surrender."
This post was edited on 10/24/23 at 12:30 pm
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
Lurking the Tin Foil Hat Board
Member since Jul 2009
47925 posts
Posted on 10/24/23 at 12:36 pm to
quote:

in hot water for break­ing the unwritten rule


People should really start writing the rules they don't want broken
Posted by sta4ever
The Pit
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 10/24/23 at 12:38 pm to
Does this mean it was US soldiers who were doing a lot of fighting for the Israelis or something?
Posted by Tom288
Jacksonville
Member since Apr 2009
21046 posts
Posted on 10/24/23 at 12:42 pm to
I love how SEALs and even DEVGRU members can write all the books they want while CAG shuns any guy who opens his mouth. True professionals.
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
18963 posts
Posted on 10/24/23 at 12:44 pm to
Being PNG'ed from the Unit is a very real thing. I personally know a guy (not a dude some dude's brother met once in a bar somewhere he can't talk about) who was interviewed for a book about Delta. He participated in the interview and gave some general background about his time there. He didn't reveal anything at all you can't find in a Google search.

He was subsequently notified that he was PNG and uninvited from all future retired member events, etc. They take that shite very seriously there.

It's kind of the opposite of being a SEAL. Those dudes are expected to write a book at a minimum. Bonus points for making a TV show or movie.
Posted by Towelie
America's Wang
Member since Aug 2007
19123 posts
Posted on 10/24/23 at 1:48 pm to
Same thing happened to Chuck Norris.
Posted by White Roach
Member since Apr 2009
9477 posts
Posted on 10/24/23 at 2:17 pm to
What's even funnier is that Sean Naylor, author of the article, wrote "Not a Good Day To Die. One of the prominent characters in his book was LTC (maybe COL) Pete Blaber. He was running AFO out of Gardez, which included Delta and SEAL personnel on recon and overwatch positions before and during the battle. I don't think there were any repercussions and that book has been out for about 20 years.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
36742 posts
Posted on 10/24/23 at 2:43 pm to
Was Boykin the guy that gave Mark Bowden all the deets on the Battle of Mogadishu?

His name sounds familiar, and there was one Delta operator that had a lot of POV chapters in that book.
Posted by TigerB8
End Communism
Member since Oct 2003
9405 posts
Posted on 10/24/23 at 3:08 pm to
Wonder how many American's are wearing Ukrainian uniforms as they run missions.
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 10/24/23 at 4:05 pm to
Did they do that for other countries as well?
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