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Yield Curve Un-inverting
Posted on 10/20/23 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 10/20/23 at 2:13 pm
Yield curve is about to un-invert, is something going to break?
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/T10Y2Y
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/T10Y2Y
This post was edited on 10/20/23 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 10/20/23 at 2:27 pm to themasterpater
It’s unnerving when it’s uninverting uninterrupted but is it unintentional or unfortunate?
Posted on 10/20/23 at 2:57 pm to themasterpater
When something breaks, they will crank QE back up.I found this chart interesting.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 3:35 pm to themasterpater
When things uninvert is when the fireworks typically show up. Going to be an interesting next 12 months
Hope they hired more hamsters for the money printer
Hope they hired more hamsters for the money printer
Posted on 10/20/23 at 3:36 pm to themasterpater
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Yield curve is about to un-invert, is something going to break?
I wouldn't be surprised if foreigners are selling treausry holdings to service higher dollar denominated costs. Check out the DXY. Don't be shocked if it's breaking out over $115 in this environment. Tack on the supply to fund the deficits and it's a nasty feedback loop.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 7:12 pm to TigerTatorTots
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Hope they hired more hamsters for the money printer
That's the problem though, isn't it? If they turn the presses on again, we risk hyperinflation. If they don't, we risk what may well be a deep recession.
One is less shitty than the other, but neither are good.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 7:24 pm to wutangfinancial
Interesting. Gold seems to have somewhat caught a bid this past week. Don't these two normally have a negative correlation?
This post was edited on 10/20/23 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 10/20/23 at 8:35 pm to Bard
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If they turn the presses on again, we risk hyperinflation. If they don't, we risk what may well be a deep recession.
I hate to say it but a lot of people in this country need to be reminded what suffering looks like.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 9:56 pm to corndawg85
Now is time to buy the sqqq
Posted on 10/21/23 at 10:11 am to TDTOM
Gold typically outperforms during periods of negative real rates. Everything is whacky right now. Forward curves have rate cuts priced in next year. Trading right now is hard AF.
Posted on 10/21/23 at 10:27 am to wutangfinancial
"I hate to say it but a lot of people in this country need to be reminded what suffering looks like."
And if we get to the point they have to divest posessions, anything they stand to unload that they blew their paychecks on will be worthless Chinese tech junk. The days of scoring nice durable toys on craigslist are few and far between.
And if we get to the point they have to divest posessions, anything they stand to unload that they blew their paychecks on will be worthless Chinese tech junk. The days of scoring nice durable toys on craigslist are few and far between.
Posted on 10/22/23 at 10:18 am to corndawg85
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I hate to say it but a lot of people in this country need to be reminded what suffering looks like.
I don't disagree, but I think that may end up making things even worse.
When we had the Great Depression, there was no Section 8, SNAP, etc. The federal government created work programs but that was about it (if memory serves). No, I don't think we are heading into another Great Depression, but I can't help but wonder how much worse it will make a possible Recession to have millions more people quickly jumping into the federal coffers.
If we have a bad recession, there will be massive calls to expand public assistance programs (both in who gets covered and how much each tier gets in benefits). People don't go to DC to sacrifice their political careers, so the smart money would be on DC acquiescing to these demands regardless of the dangers.
If this happens, it would have impacts from two different vectors.
1. The first would be the obvious increase in federal deficit spending (not just increasing deficit spending through more spending but also through less revenues coming into the federal coffers). This would mean more debt, thus a greater amount of revenues needed just to service the debt (ie: within 2 years we could be thinking of $1T just in annual debt servicing being "the good old days").
2. The second would be that extra money going into the economy helping to keep inflation sticky. It likely wouldn't be enough to permeate throughout the economy (mid-higher end electronics, for example, would likely take a big hit). This would limit the range and intensity of that suffering many need to be reminded of (we see this already with what looks like a credit card bubble, when looking at consumer debt and the rise in consumer debt defaults).
Posted on 10/23/23 at 4:09 am to I Love Bama
quote:This one is interesting as well.
I found this chart interesting.
With rising rates the yield on the 30-year Treasury bond just surpassed the S&P 500’s earnings yield. That will add to equity pressures.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 5:05 am to I Love Bama
I don’t think they can play kick the inflationary can down the road anymore.
They don’t have many more tricks left in the bag. But we may have to pay for a war by printing money so who knows.
They don’t have many more tricks left in the bag. But we may have to pay for a war by printing money so who knows.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 6:00 am to themasterpater
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Yield curve is about to un-invert, is something going to break?
Theres only one play... Iraqi Dinar
You can thank me later
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