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re: Good News! Nobody is responsible!

Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:16 pm to
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:16 pm to
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Christianity, on the other hand, provides a coherent and rational basis for free will (agency to act according to that which we desire to do) and objective moral reasoning


Do you think a just God would judge a person who's brain is damaged and they commit a violent act differently than a person who's brain is functioning normaly?
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:19 pm to
Next car I can steal is free then? Cool.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:44 pm to
Dude is actually pretty interesting although I certainly disagree with him here
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:55 pm to
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15090 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:45 pm to
Meh, he himself admits his thoughts will come across as crazy.
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“The world is really screwed up and made much, much more unfair by the fact that we reward people and punish people for things they have no control over,” Sapolsky said. “We’ve got no free will. Stop attributing stuff to us that isn’t there.” Sapolsky, a MacArthur “genius” grant winner, is extremely aware that this is an out-there position. Most neuroscientists believe humans have at least some degree of free will. So do most philosophers and the vast majority of the general population. Free will is essential to how we see ourselves, fueling the satisfaction of achievement or the shame of failing to do the right thing. Saying that people have no free will is a great way to start an argument. This is partly why Sapolsky, who describes himself as “majorly averse to interpersonal conflict,” put off writing his new book “Determined: A Science of Life Without Free Will.” Sapolsky, 66, has a mild demeanor and a Jerry Garcia beard. For more than three decades, he escaped the politics of academia to study baboons in rural Kenya for a few months every year. “I'm really, really, really trying not to sound like a combative jerk in the book,” he said. “I deal with human complexities by going and living in a tent. So yeah, I'm not up for a lot of brawls about this.”




But what he is saying - whether we like it or not - is that free will exists but it is overrated. The fact is we all have made MILLIONS of decisions in our lives that affected us later against our will. The time you didn't go out with friends and the woman who WOULD have been your perfect wife was there...but because you didn't go out you did not meet her.

Or read the story of form coach Georgia and Miami coach Mark Richts daughter. She is who she is because of Richt and because of America. What would be her fate had she not been adopted?

Free will or millions of fateful decisions we have no control over?

It's probably too "spacey" of a topic for the political talk message board and best suited to a college dorm bullshite session.

Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
43199 posts
Posted on 10/21/23 at 6:09 am to
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professor agrees that the officer had nothing to do with the dope head’s death in Minny?

Now that was funDamentally Different.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
7461 posts
Posted on 10/21/23 at 8:38 pm to
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It's probably too "spacey" of a topic for the political talk message board and best suited to a college dorm bullshite session.


Watch the Michael Shermer interview with him that I linked on the previous page.I too thought it was more of a philosophical debate with a lot engaging in woo but his argument is a lot more grounded than I thought it would be. I can't get over top of the hill of no free will but I can get pretty close to the peak.
This post was edited on 10/21/23 at 8:39 pm
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
31652 posts
Posted on 10/21/23 at 8:43 pm to
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We don't have free will


We learned this in the oldest books of the Bible.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14543 posts
Posted on 10/21/23 at 8:46 pm to
Kind of a pedantic argument. Meh.
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