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re: Good News! Nobody is responsible!
Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:16 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:16 pm to FooManChoo
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Christianity, on the other hand, provides a coherent and rational basis for free will (agency to act according to that which we desire to do) and objective moral reasoning
Do you think a just God would judge a person who's brain is damaged and they commit a violent act differently than a person who's brain is functioning normaly?
Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:19 pm to Geekboy
Next car I can steal is free then? Cool.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:44 pm to Geekboy
Dude is actually pretty interesting although I certainly disagree with him here
Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:45 pm to Geekboy
Meh, he himself admits his thoughts will come across as crazy.
But what he is saying - whether we like it or not - is that free will exists but it is overrated. The fact is we all have made MILLIONS of decisions in our lives that affected us later against our will. The time you didn't go out with friends and the woman who WOULD have been your perfect wife was there...but because you didn't go out you did not meet her.
Or read the story of form coach Georgia and Miami coach Mark Richts daughter. She is who she is because of Richt and because of America. What would be her fate had she not been adopted?
Free will or millions of fateful decisions we have no control over?
It's probably too "spacey" of a topic for the political talk message board and best suited to a college dorm bullshite session.
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“The world is really screwed up and made much, much more unfair by the fact that we reward people and punish people for things they have no control over,” Sapolsky said. “We’ve got no free will. Stop attributing stuff to us that isn’t there.” Sapolsky, a MacArthur “genius” grant winner, is extremely aware that this is an out-there position. Most neuroscientists believe humans have at least some degree of free will. So do most philosophers and the vast majority of the general population. Free will is essential to how we see ourselves, fueling the satisfaction of achievement or the shame of failing to do the right thing. Saying that people have no free will is a great way to start an argument. This is partly why Sapolsky, who describes himself as “majorly averse to interpersonal conflict,” put off writing his new book “Determined: A Science of Life Without Free Will.” Sapolsky, 66, has a mild demeanor and a Jerry Garcia beard. For more than three decades, he escaped the politics of academia to study baboons in rural Kenya for a few months every year. “I'm really, really, really trying not to sound like a combative jerk in the book,” he said. “I deal with human complexities by going and living in a tent. So yeah, I'm not up for a lot of brawls about this.”
But what he is saying - whether we like it or not - is that free will exists but it is overrated. The fact is we all have made MILLIONS of decisions in our lives that affected us later against our will. The time you didn't go out with friends and the woman who WOULD have been your perfect wife was there...but because you didn't go out you did not meet her.
Or read the story of form coach Georgia and Miami coach Mark Richts daughter. She is who she is because of Richt and because of America. What would be her fate had she not been adopted?
Free will or millions of fateful decisions we have no control over?
It's probably too "spacey" of a topic for the political talk message board and best suited to a college dorm bullshite session.
Posted on 10/21/23 at 6:09 am to teke184
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professor agrees that the officer had nothing to do with the dope head’s death in Minny?
Now that was funDamentally Different.
Posted on 10/21/23 at 8:38 pm to Eurocat
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It's probably too "spacey" of a topic for the political talk message board and best suited to a college dorm bullshite session.
Watch the Michael Shermer interview with him that I linked on the previous page.I too thought it was more of a philosophical debate with a lot engaging in woo but his argument is a lot more grounded than I thought it would be. I can't get over top of the hill of no free will but I can get pretty close to the peak.
This post was edited on 10/21/23 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 10/21/23 at 8:43 pm to Geekboy
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We don't have free will
We learned this in the oldest books of the Bible.
Posted on 10/21/23 at 8:46 pm to Eurocat
Kind of a pedantic argument. Meh.
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