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re: Salary of $115,627 needed in order to qualify for a mortgage on a typical American home

Posted on 10/18/23 at 11:57 am to
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 10/18/23 at 11:57 am to
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A fixer upper is a horrible idea for about 95% of experienced home owners. It would be the rare individual indeed who could make a go of one as a first time home owner. I did it in 1988 but I had been in the trades for 5 years and grew up on construction sites. And even then it cost me more than I could have bought the finished product for....it is not a viable solution for most folks.


:stout:
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 10/18/23 at 11:58 am to
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Maybe you should move then.


Cool, I'll go from making 130k in NC to making 70k in N Arkansas, that will fix the problem.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 10/18/23 at 12:01 pm to
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There are plenty of 175K homes out there


Not in my area. The only thing you're getting for $175k in my area is a lot that is in the more rural part of the county. $175k homes don't exist anymore. I bought my home in 2018. Homes in our neighborhood are selling for more than double what they were when we bought in 2018 and more than triple what they were when built in ~2003.
This post was edited on 10/18/23 at 12:04 pm
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 10/18/23 at 12:01 pm to
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No one will ever be that fortunate again


I guess my point is that houses have NEVER been affordable to a young single person starting their career. My wife and I’s first house in Charlotte in the 90’s was a 45 min commute, about 1,800 sq ft and we were both making damn near 6 figures. This was in the 90’s and it was still a stretch.

This mindset that every individual should be able to afford a nice house is a relatively new thing. I don’t know anyone that ran out a bought a house early in their career/life.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 10/18/23 at 12:04 pm to
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This mindset that every individual should be able to afford a nice house is a relatively new thing


no one is saying that every individual should be able to afford a nice house.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
66007 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 12:07 pm to
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I guess my point is that houses have NEVER been affordable to a young single person starting their career. My wife and I’s first house in Charlotte in the 90’s was a 45 min commute, about 1,800 sq ft and we were both making damn near 6 figures. This was in the 90’s and it was still a stretch.

Eh, my parents bought a home in the late 80s in Shreveport on a combined salary of less than 70k when my dad was a resident at LSU-S and my mom had a low paying 9-5. When dad went into practice in 1990, we moved, mom stopped working, and he was able to put both my sister and I into private school and buy a 3000 square foot home in a nice Memphis suburb (Germantown) for $175k on an $80k salary. It was a lot easier for young people to buy homes in the 90s.
Posted by Mootsman
Charlotte, NC
Member since Oct 2012
6081 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 12:07 pm to
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A PILE of condo owners in Florida have seen their annual association fees surpass the purchase price of their unit just 5-10 years ago.


How much are these condos? And how much are these fees?
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/18/23 at 12:08 pm to
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My wife and I’s first house in Charlotte in the 90’s was a 45 min commute, about 1,800 sq ft and we were both making damn near 6 figures. This was in the 90’s and it was still a stretch.


How old were yall and how much did yall make? Is "damn near close to 6 figures" 90k each? 80k each?
Posted by SuperSaint
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Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 10/18/23 at 12:13 pm to
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Nope, I found my 2000 sqft on 6 acres in the middle of the pandemic for 200k. It just depends on where you're looking.
what's the daily commute to a decent job?
Posted by biglego
Ask your mom where I been
Member since Nov 2007
77875 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 12:20 pm to
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the problem is they are going to be in a bad part of town. its ashamed that we let criminals run wild.


The staggering cost of subsidizing or merely tolerating ghetto culture is rarely discussed. “But my neighborhood is nice so who cares about crime” is so shortsighted.
Posted by BrianFantana
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2012
475 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 12:20 pm to
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Cool, I'll go from making 130k in NC to making 70k in N Arkansas, that will fix the problem.


You're telling me that you make $130,000 a year as a single man and can't figure out how to buy a decent house?
Posted by TroyTider
Florida Panhandle
Member since Oct 2009
3825 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 12:21 pm to
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These kids want the same house their parents live in


These kids want to keep up with their peers and don’t realize their peers’ parents made the down payment and closing costs for them. May even pay their ins and taxes just to help get them on their own.
Posted by Bucket
Member since Feb 2011
75 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 12:21 pm to
"what's the daily commute to a decent job?"

Whatever it takes to find affordable housing.
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
14895 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 12:21 pm to
I can’t remember but we were late twenties probably pulling around $160k gross.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 12:22 pm to
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I guess my point is that houses have NEVER been affordable to a young single person starting their career.


Ok, that's fine.

There is a generation that was able to do it on one income. Did Dad have to bust his arse? Sure. But it was possible.

Now it's hard for TWO people working full time with no kids. That is a gigantic difference.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/18/23 at 12:24 pm to
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I can’t remember but we were late twenties probably pulling around $160k gross.


So you were making the equivalent to 300k a year and had to stretch to afford a house 45 minutes away from a medium sized city?

I absolutely do not believe you.


Or yall were shite awful with money.
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
7004 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 12:25 pm to
That would depend on where you live.

In Fayetteville Arkansas, I just did a search on Realtor.com with an upper price limit of $175K

There are 6 listings
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Fayetteville_AR/type-single-family-home,condo,townhome,mfd-mobile-home,multi-family-home/price-na-175000

Including this fixer upper for $145k
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/13397-Bill-Sellers-Rd_Fayetteville_AR_72704_M84579-96834?from=srp-list-card

This post was edited on 10/18/23 at 12:29 pm
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
41846 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 12:27 pm to
The gap between the percentage that salaries have gone up and the percent that prices have gone up is part of the taxes we pay for running a deficit. This is what John Maynard Keynes meant when he said that deficit spending is a hidden tax to finance the government, and it’s superior to regular taxes because not one person in a thousand understands what is going on.
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 12:28 pm to
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So you were making the equivalent to 300k a year and


Fareplay can't afford his house on 300k a year apparently.

Also conveniently left the chat.
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
14895 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 12:29 pm to
The payments weren’t the issue but getting tie down payment together was work. And I’m talking 20% to avoid PMI. We were also maxing 401k, paying for benefits, 2 cars, etc. Also rates were around 7-8% IIRC.

Plus IDGAS if you believe me or not. This was Charlotte when the banks were booming.

And considering I’m not sitting on close to 7 figures of equity I think I’ve done just fine with my money.
This post was edited on 10/18/23 at 12:31 pm
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