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BCS BS
Posted on 11/30/08 at 2:10 am
Posted on 11/30/08 at 2:10 am
Yes I know that 1 million threads get started on how bad the BCS is every year. It's because it doesn't work. Are threads started every year on how unfair the NFL playoffs are? No!
Tell those proponents of the BCS to get their heads out of their arse and have a playoff system. So what if they only make 500 million dollars instead of the usual 600 million? The athletes don't get a dollar out of it. Heck, give the players some money for how high they are ranked they are at the end. They are making college athletics very wealthy and what do they get from it, an education? So a college gets a couple million from their conference for their payout from the bowls. If I was an athlete I'd want my cut. Let's say the school only got 2 million--you divide that by 85 and you get $23,529 each. But I'm off on a tangent......
Things wrong with the BCS:
1) Proponents say, "it makes every week count." What a load of crap. Should just be "which 2 good teams are the luckiest". If the NFL had the BCS system in place last year, the Giants would never have been in Superbowl, much less won it.
They play the games to see who is the best on the field not on paper.
2) Doesn't take into account injuries: If you are 5-0 and ranked #2 and lose your starting QB for 4 games and lose two of them, you are now probably ranked no better than #12 with a 7-2 record. If you win out you are, let's say, 9-2 and ranked #8. This is evidenced by, hate to say it, USC when Booty went down last year. I don't like USC in the least but I also don't know of anyone that wants to play them when they are mostly healthy.
3) Weak Conferences: tOSU last 2 years--need I say more?
I don't know of another athletic event that just pits 2 teams up at the end without a playoff of some sort. And yet year after year people complain, nothing much happens, people complain, nothing much happens, etc. etc. etc.
Here's a question for you? Who is the best team in college football: Is it:
a)Alabama
b)Florida
c)USC
d)Texas
e)Oklahoma
f)None of the Above
You know what? Of the above teams, 99.999999% of non-Gumps would agree that Alabama is the worst of the 5 teams above, and yet, at this moment, if the 2 BCS teams were announced, they would be in the National Championship game.
Bowl Championship Series:
If you break the meaning down you come to something quite strange
Bowl --meaning, obviously, the stadiums shaped like bowls that used to only be about 10 of and now there are ALOT. Wish there was one called Mytoilet Bowl.
Championship -- again, obvious. To crown a champion.
Series --in this sense it means a number of games played coming one after the other in succession. Not a single game, a NUMBER (pleural) of games
That would lead me to believe that it is at least a few games played in bowl shaped stadiums to decide the National Champion. Sounds like a playoff but it isn't. It's just one game for the National Champion and the rest are really for what purpose?
Ohhhhh, you say it's the big buildup with the worst teams playing the earliest and the best playing later and later until the big game? Then why was the International & GMAC Bowl's that had nobodys in them played just a day or so before the Championship game last year? Hmmmmm...
Tell those proponents of the BCS to get their heads out of their arse and have a playoff system. So what if they only make 500 million dollars instead of the usual 600 million? The athletes don't get a dollar out of it. Heck, give the players some money for how high they are ranked they are at the end. They are making college athletics very wealthy and what do they get from it, an education? So a college gets a couple million from their conference for their payout from the bowls. If I was an athlete I'd want my cut. Let's say the school only got 2 million--you divide that by 85 and you get $23,529 each. But I'm off on a tangent......
Things wrong with the BCS:
1) Proponents say, "it makes every week count." What a load of crap. Should just be "which 2 good teams are the luckiest". If the NFL had the BCS system in place last year, the Giants would never have been in Superbowl, much less won it.
They play the games to see who is the best on the field not on paper.
2) Doesn't take into account injuries: If you are 5-0 and ranked #2 and lose your starting QB for 4 games and lose two of them, you are now probably ranked no better than #12 with a 7-2 record. If you win out you are, let's say, 9-2 and ranked #8. This is evidenced by, hate to say it, USC when Booty went down last year. I don't like USC in the least but I also don't know of anyone that wants to play them when they are mostly healthy.
3) Weak Conferences: tOSU last 2 years--need I say more?
I don't know of another athletic event that just pits 2 teams up at the end without a playoff of some sort. And yet year after year people complain, nothing much happens, people complain, nothing much happens, etc. etc. etc.
Here's a question for you? Who is the best team in college football: Is it:
a)Alabama
b)Florida
c)USC
d)Texas
e)Oklahoma
f)None of the Above
You know what? Of the above teams, 99.999999% of non-Gumps would agree that Alabama is the worst of the 5 teams above, and yet, at this moment, if the 2 BCS teams were announced, they would be in the National Championship game.
Bowl Championship Series:
If you break the meaning down you come to something quite strange
Bowl --meaning, obviously, the stadiums shaped like bowls that used to only be about 10 of and now there are ALOT. Wish there was one called Mytoilet Bowl.
Championship -- again, obvious. To crown a champion.
Series --in this sense it means a number of games played coming one after the other in succession. Not a single game, a NUMBER (pleural) of games
That would lead me to believe that it is at least a few games played in bowl shaped stadiums to decide the National Champion. Sounds like a playoff but it isn't. It's just one game for the National Champion and the rest are really for what purpose?
Ohhhhh, you say it's the big buildup with the worst teams playing the earliest and the best playing later and later until the big game? Then why was the International & GMAC Bowl's that had nobodys in them played just a day or so before the Championship game last year? Hmmmmm...
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Posted on 11/30/08 at 2:15 am to tigersaint26
quote:
You know what? Of the above teams, 99.999999% of non-Gumps would agree that Alabama is the worst of the 5 teams above, and yet, at this moment, if the 2 BCS teams were announced, they would be in the National Championship game.
good thing we have a playoff game next weekend between teams A and B
Posted on 11/30/08 at 2:19 am to The Easter Bunny
Good thing some conferences build in a championship game or Alabama and Florida may be playing in the title game :whew:
Posted on 11/30/08 at 2:22 am to tigersaint26
quote:
Are threads started every year on how unfair the NFL playoffs are? No!
No, because the playoff system is merely best at hiding its failures.
There is just as much whining when it does reveal them though.
Why does the Superbowl carry more weight than the final regular season game about a month prior? What magical difference crowns the SuperBowl as the definitive method of crowning a champion compared to that game?
Never mind the fact that playoffs are based on a huge logical fallancy....
BTW, wrong board.
Posted on 11/30/08 at 3:32 am to Volvagia
what do people whine about in the playoffs??
its easily the fairest way...you beat the team you advance...that simple
every major sport has a playoff and dont tell me an 8 team playoff would take away the value of a season
its easily the fairest way...you beat the team you advance...that simple
every major sport has a playoff and dont tell me an 8 team playoff would take away the value of a season
Posted on 11/30/08 at 3:39 am to LSU Red24
I guess most of the BCS whiners are too young to remember the times before the BCS when #1 almost never played #2.
Things are so much better now than before the BCS. Is the BCS perfect. Nope, but better than the previous alternative.
4 teams is not enough and It will be hard to convince colleges to go with an 8 team playoff.
Especially if you go with the same nonsense that lower conference undefeated teams are owed a spot over one loss teams from a major conference.
I think what most people forget is that undefeated teams from weak conferences may be guaranteed spots which would take away spots from more deserving teams from harder conferences.
Things are so much better now than before the BCS. Is the BCS perfect. Nope, but better than the previous alternative.
4 teams is not enough and It will be hard to convince colleges to go with an 8 team playoff.
Especially if you go with the same nonsense that lower conference undefeated teams are owed a spot over one loss teams from a major conference.
I think what most people forget is that undefeated teams from weak conferences may be guaranteed spots which would take away spots from more deserving teams from harder conferences.
This post was edited on 11/30/08 at 3:43 am
Posted on 11/30/08 at 4:40 am to TigerMyth36
The real problem with the BCS is not whether there is a playoff but the actual RANKING process!
O.K. let's say this year there was a playoff, WHICH 8 teams would go?
1)Bama
2)Texas
3)Oklahoma
4)Florida
5)USC
6)Utah
7)Texas Tech
8)Penn St.
Would you follow the above ranking structure and send the top 8 teams? What would you do with an undefeated Boise St. currently sitting in the 9th spot? I guarantee some people would bitch and complain bout an UNDEFEATED team being left out of the PLAYOFFS, and rightfully so. BTW Ball St. is undefeated as well, in the 15th spot.
Also let's not forget that initial RANKINGS should be done away with until the 4th or so week. Teams with big names will still continue to be given the benefit of doubt and they will be handed a top 8 spot to ensure them a chance at the playoffs. USC looks good and they only have 1 loss. Who has USC beat this year that was impressive? tOSU has shown everyone, 2 years in a row, in the BCSCG that there is NOTHING impressive about them. USC lost to the same team Penn St. beat 48-7. So yeah, they only have 1 loss but who have they played?
Fact is no 1 system will ever please all. It's funny how at the beginning, every team plays for the title and doest seem too upset at a lack of a playoff, until it looks as if their team is out of it. Who will be the 1st team to win the BCS trophy and not accept it? I am against the BCS but I ALSO feel that a playoff is really no better in deciding a champion. Big name schools WILL ALWAYS be given the benefit of doubt and be ensured to make the playoffs.
I can just imagine in playoff if UF and Bama had to play each other early on, SEC fans would swear the "powers that be" wanted to make sure there was no all SEC NCG.
Or then we would run around saying that "they only won because they had an easier path to the NCG". "If they would of had to play so and so and then so and so, they would have never made it. Then we would be right back to where we started.
O.K. let's say this year there was a playoff, WHICH 8 teams would go?
1)Bama
2)Texas
3)Oklahoma
4)Florida
5)USC
6)Utah
7)Texas Tech
8)Penn St.
Would you follow the above ranking structure and send the top 8 teams? What would you do with an undefeated Boise St. currently sitting in the 9th spot? I guarantee some people would bitch and complain bout an UNDEFEATED team being left out of the PLAYOFFS, and rightfully so. BTW Ball St. is undefeated as well, in the 15th spot.
Also let's not forget that initial RANKINGS should be done away with until the 4th or so week. Teams with big names will still continue to be given the benefit of doubt and they will be handed a top 8 spot to ensure them a chance at the playoffs. USC looks good and they only have 1 loss. Who has USC beat this year that was impressive? tOSU has shown everyone, 2 years in a row, in the BCSCG that there is NOTHING impressive about them. USC lost to the same team Penn St. beat 48-7. So yeah, they only have 1 loss but who have they played?
Fact is no 1 system will ever please all. It's funny how at the beginning, every team plays for the title and doest seem too upset at a lack of a playoff, until it looks as if their team is out of it. Who will be the 1st team to win the BCS trophy and not accept it? I am against the BCS but I ALSO feel that a playoff is really no better in deciding a champion. Big name schools WILL ALWAYS be given the benefit of doubt and be ensured to make the playoffs.
I can just imagine in playoff if UF and Bama had to play each other early on, SEC fans would swear the "powers that be" wanted to make sure there was no all SEC NCG.
Or then we would run around saying that "they only won because they had an easier path to the NCG". "If they would of had to play so and so and then so and so, they would have never made it. Then we would be right back to where we started.
Posted on 11/30/08 at 6:05 am to ellis1975
This is my first post here, and I hope to engage each (or most) of you with intelligent conversation. I don't talk smack and as a general rule I don't flame unless I think its specifically warranted.
I hope I'm as welcome here as many of your fans and members are on our boards.
That said, I know some of you think Bama is the worst of all the top 5 or even top 10 teams, and that's OK because I understand your bias. But before you dismiss us, for whatever the reason, consider this. Every team has it's own schedule which in most cases is set years in advance.
We were ranked a lowly #24 in the early pre-season polls. Whether you think each of our opponents were deserving of their particular rankings at the time is a matter of opinion. But our own opinions don't matter, nor do they change those rankings. Bama has met each and every opponent at the time and place scheduled. We have now completed our entire regular season schedule and have defeated every team we have met. We will meet Florida this next Saturday in Atlanta, and that game will decide whether we go on to play in the NC title game or settle for a lesser bowl game. We may win or we may lose, but regardless, it will be decided on the field, not in the minds of us fans.
Whether you agree that we are deserving of the #1 ranking which we now hold is also a matter of opinion. Each and everyone of you are entitled to your own. But before you allow your bias to interfere with an intelligent thought process, ask yourselves this:
What else would you have us do?
I hope I'm as welcome here as many of your fans and members are on our boards.
That said, I know some of you think Bama is the worst of all the top 5 or even top 10 teams, and that's OK because I understand your bias. But before you dismiss us, for whatever the reason, consider this. Every team has it's own schedule which in most cases is set years in advance.
We were ranked a lowly #24 in the early pre-season polls. Whether you think each of our opponents were deserving of their particular rankings at the time is a matter of opinion. But our own opinions don't matter, nor do they change those rankings. Bama has met each and every opponent at the time and place scheduled. We have now completed our entire regular season schedule and have defeated every team we have met. We will meet Florida this next Saturday in Atlanta, and that game will decide whether we go on to play in the NC title game or settle for a lesser bowl game. We may win or we may lose, but regardless, it will be decided on the field, not in the minds of us fans.
Whether you agree that we are deserving of the #1 ranking which we now hold is also a matter of opinion. Each and everyone of you are entitled to your own. But before you allow your bias to interfere with an intelligent thought process, ask yourselves this:
What else would you have us do?
This post was edited on 11/30/08 at 6:08 am
Posted on 11/30/08 at 7:43 am to Bama Reb
You're correct that I and many others don't believe Alabama is clearly the best team right now, even though you have won every game. However, since you have won every game, no one can say you shouldn't be ranked number 1. You should be. If you win your last two games, you will still, obviously, be ranked #1, and I (and most other sane people) will be the first to say that you should be, as much as they may hate to admit it. The end of the year rankings are the only ones that matter.
Posted on 11/30/08 at 7:49 am to tigeramongpigs
How can an LSU fan be unhappy with the current system???
Posted on 11/30/08 at 7:56 am to Bama Reb
quote:
What else would you have us do?
beat Florida.
Honestly, Bama has grown on me. Early on, Bama played too many close games...relying on a pick or a fumble to secure a win (a la LSU and UK). But, right now no one deserves the number one spot more than y'all. However, beating UF will go a long way in making believers out of us.
Posted on 11/30/08 at 8:02 am to tigersaint26
quote:
1) Proponents say, "it makes every week count." What a load of crap. Should just be "which 2 good teams are the luckiest".
Luck is required in both situations. Neither system is perfect. I used to be a playoff proponenet, but now I'm only a plus-one proponent. This year would be a perfect situation for a plus-one (UF, OU, USC, TX or Bama). It would also allow a Boise ST or equivalent to get into the mix.
Posted on 11/30/08 at 8:04 am to zack7552
quote:
beat Florida.
:kige:
How to do it:
Use Nutt's blueprint.
Control the clock, run effectively, convert a few 4th downs. Keep Tebow off the field.
Posted on 11/30/08 at 8:07 am to loweralabamatrojan
I hope this is the worst BCS mess ever. Then just maybe a miracle will happen and we will get a legit playoff system. It seems the Big 12 really knows how to screw their fans.
BCS + Big 12 = Big Mess
BCS + Big 12 = Big Mess
Posted on 11/30/08 at 8:20 am to TenTex
quote:
O.K. let's say this year there was a playoff, WHICH 8 teams would go?
You are assuming an 8 team play off.
I do not see that happening anytime soon.
I see a Final Four concept first.
which if done properly, would be a +1 system.
They would want to TEST the financial impact on the other bowls before going bigger.
Posted on 11/30/08 at 9:11 am to tigeramongpigs
quote:
The end of the year rankings are the only ones that matter.
I agree 100%. Every school loses players every year, whether through graduation or other means. New players start to take their respective places on the teams. That is to say nothing about the continuous coaching carousel throughout the realm of college sports in general. Hence any rankings brought forth from previous seasons are all but completely meaningless. This opinion is one which I've held for a very long time.
I also believe that no "rankings" should be applied to any team until they have played at least 3 of their regular conference games.
Posted on 11/30/08 at 9:20 am to Bama Reb
Bama Reb-if you bring itelligent conversation in here, you will generally get the same in return-ask Scoop. We might have a low opinion of Bama because our underacheivers damn near beat ya'll more than anything.
Back to the BCS discussion-as it now appears, Chokelahoma will get to the Big 12 CG and subsequently the BCS CG, even though the Shorthorns beat them pretty handily on a neutral field, thanks in part to Coach Stoopid running up the score on his last two games. Much of the balance of the BCS ranking hang on decisions made by people with drinking problems and/or bad cases of ADD who only remember what they saw last, not the "body of work" as it were. It will be an absolute travesity if UTw gets passed over by someone they beat head to head, and would bring a team with a well-deserved reputation for choking on the big one into a game where anyone outside of Norman would rather see the two best teams play. This year, that would appear to be UF v UT.
Back to the BCS discussion-as it now appears, Chokelahoma will get to the Big 12 CG and subsequently the BCS CG, even though the Shorthorns beat them pretty handily on a neutral field, thanks in part to Coach Stoopid running up the score on his last two games. Much of the balance of the BCS ranking hang on decisions made by people with drinking problems and/or bad cases of ADD who only remember what they saw last, not the "body of work" as it were. It will be an absolute travesity if UTw gets passed over by someone they beat head to head, and would bring a team with a well-deserved reputation for choking on the big one into a game where anyone outside of Norman would rather see the two best teams play. This year, that would appear to be UF v UT.
Posted on 11/30/08 at 9:23 am to Icansee4miles
BCS is the best thing that has ever happened to LSU football! It is the reason we have TWO more NC's and TWO Crystal Balls! LONG LIVE THE BCS ! 
Posted on 11/30/08 at 9:26 am to Bama Reb
The main reason it will be hard to get rid of the BCS is because the Media loves it so much. Yes they bitch and groan over it incessantly. However, they love it, because of all the controversy it creates. If not for the BCS what would they talk about??
Bill Kings even says this. A playoff would be great, but it aint gonna happen. So he loves all the air time it creates for him filling in with impassioned talk.
Face it we are stuck with a non play off system.
I would love a play off. My main concern is making the teams already beat up play 4 more games that would be brutal on these guys. Not that I wouldnt enjoy ever game!!!
Bill Kings even says this. A playoff would be great, but it aint gonna happen. So he loves all the air time it creates for him filling in with impassioned talk.
Face it we are stuck with a non play off system.
I would love a play off. My main concern is making the teams already beat up play 4 more games that would be brutal on these guys. Not that I wouldnt enjoy ever game!!!
Posted on 11/30/08 at 9:28 am to zack7552
quote:
Early on, Bama played too many close games...relying on a pick or a fumble to secure a win (a la LSU and UK).
If I might refresh your memory:
Nov. 29: Alabama 36, Auburn 0
Nov 15: Alabama 32, Mississippi State 7
Nov 8: Alabama 27, LSU 21
Nov 1: Alabama 35, Arkansas State 0
Oct 25: Alabama 29, Tennessee 9
Oct 18: Alabama 24, Mississippi 20
Oct 4: Alabama 17, Kentucky 14
Sep 27: Alabama 41, Georgia 30
Sep 20: Alabama 49, Arkansas 14
Sep 13: Alabama 41, Western Kentucky 7
Sep 6: Alabama 20, Tulane 6
Aug 30: Alabama 34, Clemson 10
You would criticize us because out of the twelve games we played, we beat Ole Miss, Kentucky and LSU by six points or less? Being rather picky, aren't we?
This post was edited on 11/30/08 at 9:29 am
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