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Anyone here have pavers around their pool
Posted on 9/18/23 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 9/18/23 at 4:15 pm
I am going to be closing on a new home in Florida in about 6 weeks and it has a pool with pavers. WE have been having issues through the build with the pavers caving in. After they put them down a few months ago, 50% of them caved in within a month. All the sand and crush underneath them just wasnt there anymore and they would fall down about 4-5"
They took all the pavers up, rebuilt the base and put all the pavers back down. Less than 4 weeks later, some of them are caving in again
I am asking the CM on the job is there is some kind of drainage issues but he contends there is not. He is convinced its a installation issue. These people do a lot of pavers. Drive ways, pools, lanais etc. Im concerned that we are going to close and move in and have a constant issue
They took all the pavers up, rebuilt the base and put all the pavers back down. Less than 4 weeks later, some of them are caving in again
I am asking the CM on the job is there is some kind of drainage issues but he contends there is not. He is convinced its a installation issue. These people do a lot of pavers. Drive ways, pools, lanais etc. Im concerned that we are going to close and move in and have a constant issue
This post was edited on 9/18/23 at 4:29 pm
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Posted on 9/18/23 at 4:29 pm to LanierSpots
I would suggest not closing on the house until you get another professional involved that is not associated with the builder.
Problem could extend well beyond just the pavers around that pool, or simply be just the sub not putting in paver edging to prevent washout.
Problem could extend well beyond just the pavers around that pool, or simply be just the sub not putting in paver edging to prevent washout.
This post was edited on 9/18/23 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 9/18/23 at 4:32 pm to Baers Foot
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I would suggest not closing on the house until you get another professional involved that is not associated with the builder.
Agree 100%. Would hate to move in and find out all the groundwork was shoddy and you end up with foundation issues.
Unrelated: Why are screened in pools not bigger in Louisiana? They are fairly ubiquitous throughout central/south Florida. Seems like a no brainer for Louisiana for shade and bugs.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 4:41 pm to LanierSpots
My guess is water is getting into the sub base and eroding it. What type of barrier is at the edge of the paver patio? You may need a Cement Treated Sub base or even a reinforced concrete sub base. That's the way we have to do pavers around here (DFW) because of the expansive clay soils that constantly move.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 4:41 pm to LanierSpots
My house in South Florida had pavers around the pool and paver walkways, driveway, etc.
I am not a fan. Not only do you occasionally get a sinking on pavers, there is always dirt and weeds in the edges.
I am not a fan. Not only do you occasionally get a sinking on pavers, there is always dirt and weeds in the edges.
This post was edited on 9/18/23 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 9/18/23 at 6:05 pm to Zappas Stache
There is a poured concrete footer all the way around the outside. It has not moved. They sit the outside pavers on it and that is where the pool cage is mounted on.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 6:46 pm to LanierSpots
Florida should have some type of new home warranty act, but like an earlier poster said, I would not close on the house until engaging a professional to evaluate.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 8:11 pm to LanierSpots
Yikes. I have two semi-loose travertine tiles around my pool. You can’t see them visually. You can only feel them slip a small bit if you step on them on a certain corner. But still it drives me mad. Only me.
No way could I deal with that mess. As others have said, I’d recommend not closing with this unknown problem being undiagnosed and unsolved. Seems like it could be a potential major issue to deal with…
No way could I deal with that mess. As others have said, I’d recommend not closing with this unknown problem being undiagnosed and unsolved. Seems like it could be a potential major issue to deal with…
This post was edited on 9/18/23 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 9/18/23 at 10:25 pm to tiger rag 93
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Unrelated: Why are screened in pools not bigger in Louisiana? They are fairly ubiquitous throughout central/south Florida. Seems like a no brainer for Louisiana for shade and bugs.
Visited a friend that moved out to FL and they said the screened in pool was their biggest gripe. I told them I actually like the idea, and if I had a pool I’d consider it. Help w bugs, leaves, didn’t think about shade aspects. Also can set it up to help w insurance issues by making it easier to be able to lock it
Posted on 9/19/23 at 12:59 am to Weekend Warrior79
I moved here 2.5 years ago and hated the cage at my rental house . Now, I absolutely love it and would not even think of having a pool here without it.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 8:30 am to LanierSpots
I have pavers on a house we bought. They had to come in and fix a lot of problem areas that were sunk in before we purchased it. Once they did that nothing has moved in two years. You have a base issue. I bet they are just throwing sand down and not packing it properly causing it to just wash out.
Good thing is you don't have the pool filled so it's not a broken line causing the wash out. Bad thing is you don't have the pool filled to check all the lines and pumps. That could be a big issue once you get into it.
I hate the pavers. I would never do them around a pool area. Constantly dealing with weeds. Once you re-sand it takes months to get it totally out the pool.
Good thing is you don't have the pool filled so it's not a broken line causing the wash out. Bad thing is you don't have the pool filled to check all the lines and pumps. That could be a big issue once you get into it.
I hate the pavers. I would never do them around a pool area. Constantly dealing with weeds. Once you re-sand it takes months to get it totally out the pool.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 8:50 am to tiger rag 93
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Unrelated: Why are screened in pools not bigger in Louisiana? They are fairly ubiquitous throughout central/south Florida. Seems like a no brainer for Louisiana for shade and bugs.
I've also wondered why you only see them in Florida. Always nice when I've rented to never have to scoop bugs from the pool and doesn't really obstruct your view much.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 9:42 am to jdavid1
Thanks. Yea, I like the pavers now but who knows how much I will like them once I have to start maintaining them. LOL.
The excuse he gave us was that he does not think they back filled the pool well and it was not packed very good. He is going to have them pull them all up again, repack the dirt, 8" at a time till the grade is correct.
Im going to see how it goes this week. I have had a friend who had the pavers and he also didnt like them.
We already have weeds coming up in ours. If you have any tips, let me know.
The excuse he gave us was that he does not think they back filled the pool well and it was not packed very good. He is going to have them pull them all up again, repack the dirt, 8" at a time till the grade is correct.
Im going to see how it goes this week. I have had a friend who had the pavers and he also didnt like them.
We already have weeds coming up in ours. If you have any tips, let me know.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 12:04 pm to LanierSpots
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We already have weeds coming up in ours. If you have any tips, let me know.
I haven't found anything that works well other than spraying round up once every other week. Earlier this year I put new sand down with some special weed preventer mixed in, and I don't think it did much of anything.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 7:44 am to LanierSpots
The sand underneath the pavers is going somewhere, either settlement down or being washed out. Has there been any rains since the installation or other water source on the pavers or is the movement occurring without rain?
If no rain, there must be some voids in the backfill that are causing excessive settlement
If no rain, there must be some voids in the backfill that are causing excessive settlement
Posted on 9/20/23 at 7:49 am to LanierSpots
You've got to pour a slab underneath the pavers
I built a pool in S Louisiana a few years ago and the builder gave me the option of soil/crush base and I couldn't believe people actually will choose that option. We poured a slab and put travertine on top.
Buy once, cry once
I built a pool in S Louisiana a few years ago and the builder gave me the option of soil/crush base and I couldn't believe people actually will choose that option. We poured a slab and put travertine on top.
Buy once, cry once
Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:00 am to LanierSpots
We had the same thing and found that the pool builder simply put sand down with no gravel and rock.
Shame. They just build. Get paid and move on.
Shame. They just build. Get paid and move on.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 11:32 am to JustKillinTime
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If no rain, there must be some voids in the backfill that are causing excessive settlement
This is what the builder told us as well. Apparently after they pour the walls of the pool, they backfill the outside of the walls. They are suppose to add small amounts of dirt, compact it, then add a little more, compact, etc. He said he believes they added too much soil and tried to compact it at once. He had it checked for any water and there is nothing there. No washout. Just the lower level soil settling which is causing the upper level to fall. That's why all the pavers that are sinking are within 6 feet of the pool walls.
They are, as we speak, removing all the pavers, digging up a some of the soil then repacking and adding small amounts then packing, etc. I noticed that they do add some crush to it, just not sure how much.
We will see how it comes out by the end of the week.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 12:04 pm to LanierSpots
Sand is going to wash out unless it is contained. Doesn't look like any containment around the edges.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 12:08 pm to LanierSpots
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digging up a some of the soil then repacking and adding small amounts then packing, etc
What method are they using to pack it?
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