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re: 2020 election fraud question

Posted on 8/23/23 at 7:42 pm to
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14731 posts
Posted on 8/23/23 at 7:42 pm to
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Why do you believe biden got 81 million votes? Can you produce the evidence or do you just blithely believe the government?

Which government is that, fool?

Don't you mean the (multiple) governments of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, Wisconsin, Nevada and Arizona?

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Why are we not erring on the side of caution and investigating every instance of alleged fraud?

You mean like bamboo ballots from China? ballots manipulated by Italian military satellites? ballots stored on servers in Germany?

Do you have any idea how many completely unsubstantiated, idiotic instances of "alleged" fraud were made by Trump and his psychopathic "Kraken" lemmings?

Hundreds, if not more?

You Trumpers live in a dream world.
Posted by exiledhogfan
Missouri
Member since Jul 2021
1275 posts
Posted on 8/23/23 at 7:50 pm to
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Says who?


Says the same people who said Trump won in 2016 you fricking moron.

Your idiot lost. Get. The. frick. Over. It.
Posted by exiledhogfan
Missouri
Member since Jul 2021
1275 posts
Posted on 8/23/23 at 7:52 pm to
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Then Stacy Abrams’ literal employees finished up stealing GA without observers.


But they forgot to steal the gubernatorial election for her while they were stealing the election for Biden. Oops?
Posted by exiledhogfan
Missouri
Member since Jul 2021
1275 posts
Posted on 8/23/23 at 8:13 pm to
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The election was stolen and there is verifiable proof. I don’t know why that is such a difficult concept to understand.


I will type this slowly.

More than five dozen court cases got laughed out of court. For. Having. No. Proof.

Three years have passed. Why has no one shown PROOF? Some sort of video showing someone pass a piece of candy to someone else is proof of nothing other than personal kindness.

Trump says he has the PROOF but won't show it. Does that make any sense at all? Any?

No.

Kraken my arse!

Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
44047 posts
Posted on 8/23/23 at 8:35 pm to
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I will type this slowly.

you type much faster than you think.

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cases got laughed out of court. For. Having. No. Proof.

you lost on first rattle out of the box

go learn what the hell is going on and come back

or just go away - you know nothing if that is your number one objection - it is usually painful to be that stupid.
Posted by 2020_reVISION
Richmond,VA
Member since Dec 2020
3122 posts
Posted on 8/23/23 at 8:57 pm to
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The link below is to the Affidavit of Francis Watson, Chief Investigator of the Georgia Secretary of State, in a Federal District Court proceeding concerning tabulation of votes.


So, now you're accepting affidavits? From an investigator that works for the accused SoS & complicit in the false reporting of the infamous phone call?

Two recordings of conversations between President Trump and officials in the Georgia Secretary of State’s office are at issue in a growing controversy. Both played a major role in stoking a narrative about Trump trying to steal the election by throwing out ballots.

The first was made on December 23, but it was not released until last week in the Wall Street Journal. That recording prompted a mammoth correction from the Washington Post, which in its original story erroneously reported that Trump told investigator Frances Watson to “find the fraud” and that she would be a “national hero” if she did.

The person who gave the erroneous quotes for the December 23 story has been identified by the Washington Post as Jordan Fuchs, Deputy Secretary of State of Georgia. She gave an interview to the Post‘s Erik Wemple on Tuesday, telling him “I believe the story accurately reflected the investigator’s interpretation of the call. The only mistake here was in the direct quotes, and they should have been more of a summary.” She continued:

“I think it’s pretty absurd for anybody to suggest that the president wasn’t urging the investigator to ‘find the fraud,’” Fuchs added, “These are quotes that [Watson] told me at the time.”

When the recording was published by the Wall Street Journal, they noted:

When The Post first reported on the call, state officials said they did not believe that a recording existed. Officials located the recording on a trash folder on Watson’s device while responding to a public records request, according to a person familiar with the situation, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the internal process.

Wonder who that was? As for the original, erroneous characterizations given by Fuchs, if she was truly concerned about illegal pressure being applied on the phone call, which Watson claims she did not feel, she could have gone to law enforcement and preserved the call record. Instead, she went to the Washington Post and the recording was put in the trash.

“They secretly recorded the telephone call, mischaracterized its contents to the news media and then attempted to destroy the recording. It is confidence-shattering,” David Shafer, chairman of the Georgia Republican Party, told TAC.

Fuchs’s involvement in the December 23 incident has led many to assume she was the source of the leaked recording from January 2 as well, also published by the Washington Post. Two sources told TAC that this was, in fact, the case. The only three people on Raffensperger’s side of the January 2 call were Raffensperger himself, general counsel Ryan Germany, and Fuchs. Fuchs also had an existing relationship with one of the Post reporters whose byline was on the story.

“She refuses to acknowledge whether she recorded the call on January 2,” Mark Rountree, president of Landmark Communications, tells TAC. “That’s what she’s hiding from.” A second source who works in Georgia politics also identified Fuchs as the source of the January 2 recording.

“She hid from both, but the Washington Post has outed her for the first call. The question now becomes, will they out her in the second call?” Rountree told TAC.

LINK

The only reason we know any of this, incidentally, is because a recording of the conversation was found in Watson’s trash folder on her device while responding to a public-records request. (Does it not seem peculiar that a state official would throw out an audio recording of the president allegedly pressuring her to overturn an election? It seems like the kind of audio one saves.)

She's not credible, nor is anything coming out of the Ratberger/Kemp/Georgia camp of corruption.
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14731 posts
Posted on 8/23/23 at 10:44 pm to
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For all the folks that are denying the media was kicked then they kept counting, this video proves it happened.

The video proves they left after the workers left. No one kicked them out. Prove it.
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Why do you think that as soon as those observers left the room the remaining people there descended on that table, removed the boxes and went to work? With all those boxes to choose from, are you telling me the ONLY boxes that were left to be counted were under the table?

Because the ballots in the boxes under the table had already been opened by the workers who left and whose job it was to open then.

Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14731 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 1:47 am to
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nor did they explain why as soon as everyone was gone that they all immediately went for them and started running them.

They went to the under the table ballots because those ballots had already been opened by the cutters before they left since it was their job to open the ballots.
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14731 posts
Posted on 8/25/23 at 11:20 am to
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She's not credible, nor is anything coming out of the Ratberger/Kemp/Georgia camp of corruption.

Do you think the then President of the United States has a copy of that recorded phone call?

I wonder why he hasn't released it.

Is it classified?
Posted by TheQuestion
Member since May 2023
202 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 6:22 pm to
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You, of course, and your bullshite Fox News report were dead wrong about everything, as usual.
I have repeatedly stated I couldn't care less about any "water leak." So for you to join in the quibbling over something that's not germane is pointless.

There was vote counting when observers were not present.

And, BTW, this dumb post of yours is right out of the liberal playbook of obfuscation. Care to answer the question in the OP?
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
20336 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 6:34 pm to
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2020 election fraud question


I reiterated this today in another thread as well but to me, casting all the other evidence aside, the most telling thing is that we saw every conceivable reach and Hail Mary to try to get Trump removed. None of which were remotely going to happen…yet we are to believe, the one opportunity that was legitimate to get rid of Trump and the left was going to just take a pass on it then go back to the absurd methods they had been using once the election was over? Really? Are we really supposed to believe the left was going to not cheat at every turn given the outlandish ways they had tried to rid Trump up to that point?

Those who believe the fraud didn’t happen are full of shite and know it or have a fraud of a brain!
This post was edited on 9/5/23 at 6:34 pm
Posted by TheQuestion
Member since May 2023
202 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 6:34 pm to
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do you blithley believe you are magically saved by the murder of a god?
So, you think there's evidence that 81 mil people voted for Biden. I'm listening...

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now do a biden state. pick one
Fine. Show me the votes. Or did you just believe the corrupt politicians who told you he got that many votes?

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now look at the recount
You mean the recounts that recounted already problematic votes? Why would anyone put any stock into such a farce?

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81 million people hate and despise trump enough to vote no
It's astonishing that people think this mind reading and media propaganda actually prove anything. He got more votes than any previous candidate and is STILL drawing thousands of people to rallies. Your statement seems very dubious

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the seditious conspirator is the all time slime of usa history
Prove that he's a seditious conspirator. Or do you believe the propaganda about Jan 6th too?

You seem super gullible and driven by misguided emotions

Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
21043 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 6:47 pm to
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That only happened if you get all of your news from conservative treehouse.


So this same wee hours of the night pattern happened several swing states. The dems sure wanted to guarantee they didn't get another Hillary style surprise!



Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
21043 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 6:51 pm to
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There was vote counting when observers were not present.


Which is itself illegal for damn good reason.
Posted by TheQuestion
Member since May 2023
202 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 6:56 pm to
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he won the Electoral College vote, despite losing the popular vote by 3 million
Looking back in the 2016 election, I would say him losing the popular election is questionable. He probably won it if you remove all of the rampant fraud that's been discovered since then

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Over the next four years, he acted like the fricking buffoon he is
You mean accomplishing more than any president in history?

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He let Putin drag his balls across his face in Helsinki
The military under his leadership killed 300 Russian forces and Trump did not let Putin push him around in trade. Your memory of the dynamic with Russia is quite faulty

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He put in tariffs that did NOTHING but hurt U.S. consumers
He worked to repatriate US businesses and put US businesses on equal footing in trade. He also challenged NATO. FINALLY someone had the guts to stand up to them and stop the gravy train

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He fricking saluted a North Korean military officer
And Obama bowed to a foreign dignitary but I don't see you criticizing that

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And I haven't even gotten to trying to coerce Ukraine to dig up dirt on Biden
Dig up dirt??? You mean investigate the absolute debacle going on with Ukraine? The clandestine and illegal biolabs funded by US tax dollars? You mean the Biden family taking bribes. Yeah, let's sweep all that under the rug. How dare he try to bring those things to light. You sure don't seem to be mentioning the Afghanistan withdrawal or the Benghazi incident or the Obama pallets of cash. What is wrong with you?

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all of the other complete and utter nonsense that was his presidency
Given your original list, the "other" things are probably just a stupid.

Let's try a real list

One list

Another list

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Remember him drawing on the NOAA map with a Sharpie, rather than admitting he misspoke regarding where a hurricane was going? What kind of fricking goofass does such a thing?
Are you serious??? THIS is something you're upset at??? Let me introduce you to our current president, or Obama or Clinton. You won't believe the stuff they've done.

You seem unaware of your raging TDS

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Democrats turned out in DROVES -- not to vote FOR Biden but to vote AGAINST Trump
This has got to be one of the most virulent stupid claims of all time. No one has yet proven that they can read minds of voters and that these parlor tricks added up to 81 mil votes

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Independents, those folks who gave him a chance in 2016, saw their monumental mistake and voted AGAINST Trump, too
More stupid mind reading based on a corrupt media's narrative

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I have no doubt Trump united the entire political Left and most independents AGAINST him
Your point is based on a castle of sand so you don't seem intellectually capable of having an unbiased discussion of the matter, much less an attempt to answer the question in the OP

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I have no idea why that is such a difficult concept to understand
You prove that you can read minds and maybe I'll start to listen to what you're saying
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 6:57 pm to
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You mean accomplishing more than any president in history?

Yikes
Posted by TheQuestion
Member since May 2023
202 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 6:59 pm to
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You mean Georgia and Arizona?
What are you talking about?! Those are the 2 states where the MOST fraud has been discovered

You seem dense
Posted by TheQuestion
Member since May 2023
202 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 7:01 pm to
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It didn't get "blocked" in the courts
Yes, they did. Absolutely blocked by judges preventing evidence from being presented before a jury. Blocked

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Five dozen courts ruled Trump's band of merry idiots had no evidence to back up their claims
And now we know those rulings were very much mistaken

Kari Lake's trial is proceeding in AZ and the VoterGA trial is proceeding in GA. We'll see how they go
Posted by TheQuestion
Member since May 2023
202 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 7:16 pm to
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Don't you mean the (multiple) governments of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, Wisconsin, Nevada and Arizona?
Sure. Whatever floats your boat

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ou mean like bamboo ballots from China? ballots manipulated by Italian military satellites? ballots stored on servers in Germany?
Sure. Turn over every stone

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Do you have any idea how many completely unsubstantiated, idiotic instances of "alleged" fraud were made by Trump and his psychopathic "Kraken" lemmings?
I am aware of the allegations, many of which have been substantiated. That should cause any reasonable person to have SERIOUS doubts about the validity of the election, especially in the battleground states

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You Trumpers live in a dream world
One which, apparently, election fraud has been demonstrated many times over

Any answer to the question in the OP?
Posted by TheQuestion
Member since May 2023
202 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 7:30 pm to
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Says the same people who said Trump won in 2016 you fricking moron.
Fine. Prove Trump lost the popular vote in 2016.

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Your idiot lost
Fine. Prove it. Or continue to be gullible

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But they forgot to steal the gubernatorial election for her while they were stealing the election for Biden.
Again, that point does not invalidate the election fraud in the presidential election, does it? Nope

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I will type this slowly. More than five dozen court cases got laughed out of court.
I will type this slowly. That's not "proof" that there wasn't election fraud. Innocent people have gone to jail. Guilty people have walked free.

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For. Having. No. Proof.
Wrong.

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Why has no one shown PROOF?
The evidence has been demonstrated many, many times over. It's unfortunate that you are unaware of it.

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Some sort of video showing someone pass a piece of candy to someone else is proof of nothing other than personal kindness.
But a person admitting on video that homeless people were using an outreach center as their voting address which is illegal in Georgia IS a demonstration of election fraud. Ruby Freeman admitting on video that there was election fraud is a demonstration of election fraud. 2000 mules is a demonstration of election fraud. The VoterGA case is a demonstration of election fraud. The Kari Lake trial is a demonstration of election fraud. The video of people acknowledging that they did not donate to ActBlue is a demonstration of election fraud. The tidal wave of irregularities from the Cyber Ninja audit is a demonstration of immense, egregious election fraud.

A judge saying the case can't proceed to court is not proof of anything one way or another but somehow you're not aware of this

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Trump says he has the PROOF but won't show it.
He's quoted the list I cited many times.
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