re: 2020 election fraud question

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How dense are you?

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Instead of wasting time responding to all of your garbage, I'm going to repeat the same factually substantiated point - according to Georgia election officials, ballot counting resumed without observers present.

That was not the only state where that happened.

We know that the dropboxes and chain of custody in Georgia's case were at least problematic and possibly fraudulent. The first judge tried to hide behind no standing but was overruled. Now the VoterGA case can proceed. We'll see how it goes

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You can't even understand your own arguments

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And people like you won't even answer a simple question

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the poll watchers were there when vote counting started. You are making a really stupid and incorrect assumption.

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I quoted Georgia election officials as contradicting our statement. I'm not sure what you don't understand. They admitted they "sent the workers home" and then also admitted some workers stayed and started counting. Listen, if you want to believe there was nothing nefarious about that, go ahead and be naive. Given everything else that is going on, reasonable people know something suspicious when they see it

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That didn't happen in Georgia. Fulton county stopped counting votes for around 30 minutes before 11pm, but other counties kept counting.

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Politico reported that Gwinnett had a pause. Regardless, I don't care. What matters is that multiple states were counting ballots without observers along with many, many other problems. I'm not sure why you are getting so hung up on this one tiny aspect that you are factually wrong about

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I am not aware of count stoppages in other states

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I quoted articles for you

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which caused very large jumps in vote totals at one time

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The delays are not what caused the vote jumps

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(Cute how you claim this was due to "problematic" absentee ballots).

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Many, Many problems have been discovered with the ballots in the 5 states in question. Perhaps you missed the news

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So, simultaneous investigations by four government agencies - one hand picked by Trump - all reaching the same conclusion isn't good enough for you?

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Absolutely not. Those were not independent investigations such as the AZ one which found an unbelieveable amount of problems

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No,it's not that big of a problem.

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And therein lies the problem. Reasonable people know these procedures should not be conducted without oversight which was the agreement prior to the election and why the Georgia GOP was upset. But I guess you would say they were upset over nothing

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You have another source for this information?

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Yes, independent oversight such as in the AZ case

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I mean, even if you go in and count the ballots yourself you have to rely on the government providing you with the proper raw data.

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Hence the reason why the states' "recounts" mean absolutely nothing

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On my left, I have a stack of 100,000 ballots from in person voting precincts. On my right, I have a stack of 100,000 absentee ballots that have been verified and are ready for counting. Please explain to me why the stack on the left will be easier to count than the one on the right.

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It's like you've been asleep for the last 3 years. The in person election day ballots don't need to be "verified." It was just cast by a real person who is a registered voter casting their own vote. The absentee ballots have a multitude of challenges for them to be "verified" and one of those challenges was the entire point of the question in the OP which you have absolutely gone off the rails about. It's a simple question and you won't answer it.

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usually the difference in vote totals is so large it doesn't matter

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In this case, it absolutely did matter. There have been multiple instances where fraud was found that was larger than the margin of victory. It's precisely why some people are still unhappy about the outcome.

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Of the cases filed after November 3, 2020, none dealt with fraud, but instead related to ballot acceptance procedures

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You are highlighting one of the problems - cases were filed regarding fraud but the but evidence was not allowed to be heard in court, some due to "no standing." These election cases were judicially novel in a certain respect and judges clearly didn't want to touch them. That's a problem. How are we supposed to pursue justice in these potential fraud cases about something that is incredibly important, election integrity? As we have discovered, there is basically no recourse for these instances of fraud.

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Please try to read and understand your sources before misleading everyone.

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How about instead of posting enormous length messages with a bunch of gargage obfuscation quibbling about stupid details that you aren't even getting right, just answer the simple question in the OP.

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You have already proven you do not listen to anything that goes against your personal bias

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Quoting Georgia election officials who contradict your claims is not the result of bias.

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and you will claim sources say things they simply don't say.

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I can't help you understand that they admitted counting resumed without observers present. I can cite the quote, but I can't understand it for you.

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I watched every single minute of video pertaining to those cases under the table. They NEVER released the video that showed how they ended up hidden under that table

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Yet you have droned on and on about how there was nothing suspicious. You don't find anything suspicious about the dropboxes and the chain of custody problems. You don't find anything suspicious about counting without oversight. You blindly trust the "recounts" and government run "investigations." You are willing to believe the media because that's all you have to rely on. It's astonishing but you just don't see it.

In a sense, you have answered the question. You believe Biden got 81 mil votes because you believe the government when they said so even though you have been informed of the election problems (including their lack of transparency and resistance to independent oversight) and can't corroborate what they are saying

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For the most part the stolen election crowd has dwindled down to only the heavily medicated

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So now we have another shill joinging in on page 11 who isn't answering the question, slinging an ad hominem and making the blanket generalization of no fraud despite not addressing the fraud that has been found.

Paid shill or bot?

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The electoral vote is ostensibly based on the popular vote.

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Trump got over 6 million votes in California alone. At the end of the day, those votes didn't count. They were effectively thrown out.

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So the question remains why someone believes Biden actually got 81 mil votes.

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Because in many states they let the lazy people vote from their sofas. Lazy people vote overwhelmingly Democrat.

My question to you is, if Trump couldn't even get more of the popular vote against Hillary Clinton, what makes you think he could get more votes than Biden?

Not only did he not get more votes than Clinton, he NEVER got above 50% approval rating while in office. What in the world would make you think he got the most votes in the history of US presidential elections? That's about as likely as Biden getting >80 million.

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No, what matters is how many of those should have never been certified, including GA.

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Wrong, what actually maters is who is sleeping in the White House and signing off on policy.

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Which was caused by states certifying when they should not have

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Wrong, what actually maters is who is sleeping in the White House and signing off on policy.

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Well, you got the sleeping part right.
I would have said "sleepwalking", but we all know he can't walk.

The fact that you dismiss my point and seem to be ok with the presidential puppet's policy signing tells me all I need/care to know about you.

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And this is where the fraud was at. What you are failing to explain is that the states legisture is supposed to be used as a way to change voting laws. In 2016 voting laws were changed in key states to allow mail in voting and other means of voting without using the states legislative branch to change laws. The SOS of these states changed them using executive power that it doesn’t have. That is a fraudulent election when it’s all said and done.

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I defintely believe there was voter fraud.
Sincere question, has any of the SOS that changed voter laws been challenged in court? If they changed laws in error, seems that would be easy to prove.
Could the governors have done anything to prevent them changing the voter laws?

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How hard is it for the democrats to contact every majority black church in the country? Pastor goes door to door, asks have you filled out your ballot for Biden yet? No? Well lets sit down and fill it out and I'll drop it off for you, or give it to me and I'll take care of it for you. Church gets a nice donation.

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does he have a gun? otherwise no one cares if that happens.

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And that you're a sky screamer tells me everything I need/care to know about you.

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so they have switched over to telling y'all to say "sky screamer" over on DU

"snowflake" got all used out

"Cult45" getting exposed

wait on DU's next projection of who y'all are

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What happens when someone calls 911?? - does the operator say "Prove it" or do they send someone out to look into the situation??

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No way you think like this.


I think you need to get rolled over to the window, grandpa. All this excitement has you a bit flustered.