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re: There is a reason young men are rejecting the Church and following guys like Andrew Tate

Posted on 8/3/23 at 2:30 pm to
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19436 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 2:30 pm to
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The ONLY reason he is saying this now is because he got arrested and is being prosecuted.


Being responsible for yourself, treating yourself like you matter, be strong, be capable, and work hard, that’s been his message for as long as I’ve been aware of him.


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prosecuted


Look at the charges, they’re bullshite.
This post was edited on 8/3/23 at 2:32 pm
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6876 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 3:00 pm to
Please point out what part of this is bullshite, I asked another poster to educate us as well, but he probably won't respond...will you?

Sorry for the wall of text from Wikipedia. It was the best synopsis I could find.
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On 11 April 2022, a man called the U.S. embassy to report that his former girlfriend, an American citizen, was being held captive in the Tate brothers' home in Pipera, Romania.[82][83] The Romanian police raided the home, and a nearby webcam studio belonging to the Tates, where they discovered four women. Two of them, the American and another Romanian woman, told the police they were being held against their will, sparking an in-rem[b] investigation into human trafficking and rape by DIICOT, the Romanian anti-organised crime agency.[85][86] The two brothers were interrogated and released. At the time, they were heard as witnesses rather than suspects.[87]

On 29 December 2022, the police arrested both Tate brothers and two women.[88] All four are suspected of human trafficking and forming an organised crime group, and one of them (unidentified due to Romanian law) is suspected of rape. DIICOT accuses the Tates of having recruited women through the "loverboy" method — which consists of misrepresenting one's intention to commit to a romantic relationship — and having forced them to create explicit content for websites like OnlyFans, as part of an organised crime group the Tates are alleged to have formed in early 2021. DIICOT identified six potential victims.[83][89] Social media rumours attributed Andrew Tate's arrest to pizza boxes shown in his response video to Greta Thunberg, which Romanian authorities denied.[90][47] After an initial 24-hour pre-trial detention, the judge prolonged their detention by 30 days.[83] The Tates appealed the extension, but the appeal was rejected on 10 January.[91][92] Under Romanian law, it can be prolonged for a maximum of 180 days.[93]

Romanian authorities seized 29 assets, including 15 cars and more than 10 properties, as well as watches and sums of money, that belonged to the Tate brothers or their companies, totaling to almost $4 million.[94][95] If they are convicted, these assets will be forfeited to the state and used to pay civil and moral damages to any victims.[96] As of 5 January, two potential victims had joined the case as civil parties and filed statements against the suspects.[97] On 14 January, the cars at the Tates' home were transported to a storage location.[98]

On 7 January, one of the Tates’ lawyers said that the defense team had still not obtained a copy of the evidence presented by the prosecution to the judge. The lawyer also said that the Tate brothers had not been given an accurate translation during their hearing for the 30-day extension. He requested the opportunity to confront the accusers in court, and said that some of the six potential victims identified by DIICOT had not filed a complaint against the suspects.[99] Andrew Tate briefly went to the hospital for a check-up before being returned to custody.[100] Two women who have lived with the Tate brothers have publicly defended them,[101][102] and two of the six alleged victims identified by DIICOT, have denied that they were victimised.[103][104]

On 20 January, a Romanian court extended the brothers' pre-trial detention until 27 February;[105] the court's reasoning was based on a desire to safeguard the investigation, and avoid the Tates leaving the country.[106] On 25 January, while being taken for questioning at Romania's organised crime unit, Andrew said the case against him was "empty" and told reporters that "they know we have done nothing wrong".[107] On 1 February, he appealed the decision to extend his detention. The appeal was rejected by the Bucharest Court of Appeal.[108] That same day, Tina Glandian, a lawyer who has previously represented Chris Brown and Mike Tyson, was added to the legal team. She released a public statement alleging that the situation constituted a "violation of international human rights".[109]

Witnesses and accusers were targeted in an online harassment campaign. In February 2023, the legal team for the Tate brothers confirmed that a cease and desist letter was sent to one of the accusers in December 2022, threatening to sue her and her parents for $300 million over defamatory statements. Prosecutors obtained alleged wiretaps of phone calls made by Tate to two associates, instructing them to lobby two Romanian right-wing politicians, George Simion and Diana Iovanovici ?o?oaca, to support his release.[110]

On 21 February, a Romanian judicial institution once again prolonged the detention of the Tate brothers for an additional 30-day period.[111] On 14 March, their petition for bail was refused for the third time.[112] Subsequently, on 29 March, their detention period was lengthened until the end of April.[113][114] On 31 March, the Bucharest Court of Appeal overturned the previous court's decision, transitioning the brothers' pre-trial detention to house arrest, initially set until 29 April and later extended to the end of August.[115][116]

On 13 June, DIICOT adjusted the charges from human trafficking to "human trafficking in continued form", a more serious charge.[117] One additional victim was identified, bringing the total count to seven.[118][9][10]

On 20 June, the four accused were indicted on charges of rape, human trafficking, and forming an organised crime group to sexually exploit women. They continue to deny all charges and remain under investigation concerning money laundering and trafficking of minors.[11]
This post was edited on 8/3/23 at 3:01 pm
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
4329 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 3:07 pm to
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tells young men not to look at porn, get your shite together, get in shape, get your finances in order, become a protector, lead your family.


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How many Pastors or Priests are delivering this message?


Most of them I would think? Seriously do Christians not preach and practice mitzvot? Savior religions, I just don’t understand them.

The reason sensationalist grifters like Tate have an audience is because 54% of children born in Louisiana are born to single mothers. And the rate is over 30% in basically every state.

Add in divorce rates, and you have a generation of people without father figures. That creates an opening for people to reframe what it mean to be a decent man.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
24974 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 3:12 pm to
I don’t buy the op’s talking points. I have met plenty of warriors that also have faith in God.
Posted by jclem11
Neoliberal Shill
Member since Nov 2011
7858 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 3:16 pm to
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Men are taught to be protectors of women, children, and the elderly.


What is so dangerous in your suburb that you need to be protectors?

You sound just like those red pill losers and Tate with this cringe crap.

Are you scared because the "others" moved in too close to your house?
Posted by jclem11
Neoliberal Shill
Member since Nov 2011
7858 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 3:24 pm to
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God the Father won't ask you on judgement day whether you were virtuous, monogamous or responsible; he'll look to see if you've been washed in the Blood.


What a wonderful faith lmao.

You can be a total piece of shite and treat people horribly but if you just have faith and believe you get eternal paradise.

Sounds like a joke to me.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26968 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 3:26 pm to
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He actually tells young men not to look at porn


Seems odd for a guy that ran porn sites.
Posted by jclem11
Neoliberal Shill
Member since Nov 2011
7858 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 3:27 pm to
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These days the men in charge don't have the gumption to tell them 'Just shut up and type.'


Ahh, the good ole days when women were property and had zero autonomy. The world was surely so much better then...

Or it was not and you just have rose tinted glasses on for the good ole days.

Posted by jclem11
Neoliberal Shill
Member since Nov 2011
7858 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 3:29 pm to
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My priest is a refugee from Poland


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He doesn't avoid the political topics


Better start paying some taxes. Someone hit the IRS snitch line.
This post was edited on 8/3/23 at 3:29 pm
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
8923 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 3:30 pm to
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Or it was not and you just have rose tinted glasses on for the good ole days.



You mean like all of human civilization up until about 50 years ago, and even still in probably 75% of the world.

The idea of structuring a matriarchal society is a really new concept, and has only been tried here in the west.

The results are not bearing out very well.
This post was edited on 8/3/23 at 3:31 pm
Posted by jclem11
Neoliberal Shill
Member since Nov 2011
7858 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 3:30 pm to
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Lima Whiskey


Another Tate simp. lmao.

Tate self snitched so hard it is unbelievable. Tate is going down for a long time.
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
8923 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 3:33 pm to
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Ahh, the good ole days when women were property and had zero autonomy. The world was surely so much better then...


Feminism is a made up concept. It only exists and has oxygen because it is protected by masculinity.

Feminism is simply a cudgel for certain men of a certain status to wield power over men of another status. They implement Feminism just as they implement "social justice", racism, etc. For power

Feminism on its own cannot stand, because it requires men with guns to protect and enforce it.
This post was edited on 8/3/23 at 3:34 pm
Posted by JasonDBlaha
Woodlands, Texas
Member since Apr 2023
2434 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 3:33 pm to
I’ve never understood the hate for Andrew Tate on here. He promotes discipline, work ethic, respect, religion, and motivation. If he inspires just one guy to get off his arse and improve his life, then in my opinion that makes Tate a hero. Just because he said something that hurt your feelings doesn’t take away from the fact that 99% of what he says is true.

After all, he is the Top G. LINK
This post was edited on 8/3/23 at 3:45 pm
Posted by jclem11
Neoliberal Shill
Member since Nov 2011
7858 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 3:36 pm to
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Feminism is a made up concept. It only exists and has oxygen because it is protected by masculinity.

Feminism is simply a cudgel for certain men of a certain status to wield power over men of another status. They implement Feminism just as they implement "social justice", racism, etc. For power

Feminism on its own cannot stand, because it requires men with guns to protect and enforce it.


What is this screed? lmao.

I'm not feminist nor do i really care about the topic.

What is so dangerous in your daily life that you need guns to protect you? LMAO.

Where the frick are you people who are OBSESSED with the idea of "protection" living?

You guys are just red pill NPCs at this point.
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
8923 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 3:46 pm to
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What is so dangerous in your daily life that you need guns to protect you? LMAO.


The entire purpose of having guns is to neutralize threats. My community is thankfully filled with guns in the hands of good guys. And because of that, there is virtually no trouble whatsoever.

The communities where the good guys are unarmed and the bad guys are, tend to be terrible places to live.

Why does America have nukes? It's not as if other countries dropping nukes all over the place or something?
This post was edited on 8/3/23 at 3:47 pm
Posted by jclem11
Neoliberal Shill
Member since Nov 2011
7858 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 3:48 pm to
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The entire purpose of having guns is to neutralize threats. My community is thankfully filled with guns in the hands of good guys. And because of that, there is virtually no trouble whatsoever.

The communities where the good guys are unarmed and the bad guys are, tend to be terrible places to live.


You cannot answer the question and another NPC screed. haha.

Again, what is so dangerous in your daily life that you need guns to protect you?

I am trying to understand this OBSESSION you guys have with protection. Y'all seem to live in a completely different frickin planet from me.
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
8923 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 3:49 pm to
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Where the frick are you people who are OBSESSED with the idea of "protection" living?



You only get the luxury to say this because you have outsourced your and your family's protection and safety in the hands of other men.

I assume you trust those other men enough to hand over those security obligations to those men, but what happens when you can't trust them? Do you trust them to lay down their lives to protect you and your family? That's alot of assumptions.
Posted by JasonDBlaha
Woodlands, Texas
Member since Apr 2023
2434 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 3:49 pm to
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Anyone following Tate is a massive loser


You’re exactly the reason why Tate is inspiring more young men by the thousands. You want to completely diss all of his followers as losers? We’ll guess what: most of us are out of school and have good paying jobs. We are disciplined, work out hard, and stay committed to our careers. We’re tired of the younger generation of women having inflated egos due to feminism and social media. You really don’t understand how feminism and social media have fricked women in the head. It’s convinced Western women that they don’t need men to be happy, and that they can do the things that men do.
This post was edited on 8/3/23 at 3:52 pm
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
8923 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 3:53 pm to
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You cannot answer the question and another NPC screed. haha.



I did, you are just slow to understand.

Having the guns and being trained in their use is what provides the safety you are describing. So that way we aren't dodging bullets on the way to work like the Wild Wild West.


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I am trying to understand this OBSESSION you guys have with protection. Y'all seem to live in a completely different frickin planet from me.


That is because you are completely protected in a bubble and have outsourced all your protection to other men. You think your safe, decadent, and modern standard of living just always existed and always will? What happens if it goes away, even for a a few days? You have more faith than me
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
74410 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 3:53 pm to
Tates the greatest

Just look at all the usual dorks of this site claiming hes bad for men
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