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Zoysia overtake centipede

Posted on 7/22/23 at 12:52 pm
Posted by 10tiger
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Posted on 7/22/23 at 12:52 pm
New construction home, laid dormant centipede Jan 2022. Was coming in great but we had a late freeze, knocked it back and weeds started coming in quickly. Everything I read said not to seriously treat that first season until grass is settled. Well, we are surrounded by a few vacant lots and it’s now a problem. Dallisgrass, every sedge known to man including slender rush, and a smattering of other types, Bermuda grass and the latest is the dreaded torpedo. I treated with a sedge chemical in March and atrazine twice to no avail. I know I can’t kill torpedo in centipede and I know I’ll be fighting the weeds until other houses build. It would kill me to resod zoysia after spending money on sod 2 years ago …so my question is this: I have some bald spots would it pay to seed zoysia in? Is that even a feasible idea ?
Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 7/22/23 at 2:05 pm to
The only zoysia seeds are from the japonica varieties. Do you like that variety? If so then yes, you can seed it.
Posted by good_2_geaux
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 7/22/23 at 2:38 pm to
How much sunlight? If you have sun exposure and are stuck on seeding, I’d go Bermuda.
Posted by Earthquake 88
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Posted on 7/22/23 at 2:50 pm to
Good luck finding seed. If you have success let me know where you bought it.. I bought some Zenith and planted it on the back of my property because centipede was struggling back there. Two years later that stuff is thriving and beautiful. I also just bought 10 Palisades zoysia sod pieces to plant on the other side just to see how it looks. But circling back to your question I’ve successfully grown zoysia from seed, but it was a slow process.
Posted by 10tiger
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 7/22/23 at 3:22 pm to
Thanks for the feedback. I had found zoysia seeds at a local feed store, unsure the variety. For the record, I didn’t think I hated anything more than Dallisgrass but torpedo grass has taken that spot.
Posted by armytiger96
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Posted on 7/22/23 at 4:40 pm to
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local feed store,


Around BR?
Posted by Earthquake 88
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Posted on 7/22/23 at 5:08 pm to
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For the record, I didn’t think I hated anything more than Dallisgrass but torpedo grass has taken that spot.


No kidding. Torpedo is the worst. Glyphosate might knock it back some, but that stuff is the herpes of weeds. At least Celsius will suppress Dallis grass if you keep spraying it. You can dig it up. It might come back next year, but at least you don’t see it for awhile. Zoysia makes a nice yard. Totally understand not wanting to fork out the money on sodding again because zoysia is expensive. I think there are only a couple of zoysia seeds available. Zenith is what I believe I have. I forgot I planted it back there and thought it was centipede. Upon closer observation this spring I was surprised how much of that was spreading out. It’s not fast growing at first, but it sure chokes out weeds and other grasses. Even my Tifway 419 is getting overrun by that zoysia. I wouldn’t be surprised if my entire backyard isn’t zoysia in 1-2 years.
Posted by Jaspermac
Texas
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 7/22/23 at 6:09 pm to
I’m in the same boat. I have thought about buying 2 pallets and sodding an area and waiting a year for it to root in then plugging the yard using the sod to fill in the rough spots
Posted by 10tiger
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Posted on 7/22/23 at 9:44 pm to
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Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
6257 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 9:49 pm to
Zoysia varieties are ridiculously different. Both palisades and zenith are japonica. I’m not a fan of zenith but love palisades. Geo is a japonica hybrid and I think it’s the best zoysia available.
Posted by hayden7cub
Mississippi
Member since Mar 2019
314 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 11:16 pm to
After Kartina I was in a somewhat similar situation - been in a new house for a couple of years with centipede and never really liked it so I redid my entire yard with Emerald Zoysia and loved it. Built a new house about 7 years ago and went with Geo Zoysia, which is basically the same as Emerald. It blocks out pretty much every weed and it looks great. My in-laws and several neighbors have Empire Zoysia and it to me looks similar to Centipede. I would largely base it on how many pallets you would need so basically the cost and how well do you want your yard look.
Posted by Earthquake 88
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Posted on 7/23/23 at 5:27 pm to
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Zoysia varieties are ridiculously different. Both palisades and zenith are japonica. I’m not a fan of zenith but love palisades. Geo is a japonica hybrid and I think it’s the best zoysia available.


Ronk for all I know I could have planted Zeon. It started with a Z that I do remember. Where I put it was on the back corner of my yard backyard. Centipede wasn’t doing well so I pulled out my tiller, turned the soil a little, and threw out some seed. I bought 10 pieces of Palisades yesterday to throw on the other back corner just to see how it grows. I’m in agreement there are so many kinds of zoysia and they all don’t look the same. I put down 10 pallets of Empire Zoysia for my parents and it has a finer blade similar to a good hybrid bermuda. They use Tifway 419 and Empire Zoysia on the golf course they live on. The majority of my front yard is Tifway 419 and I’m not ever going to change that. In the backyard it’s bermuda 419 but this zoysia is really taken off. I had no intentions of changing over it just has slowly started happening. I was out at the turf farm yesterday though and thought the Palisades looked cool so I grabbed a little. That’s some sharp looking grass. If I were to change Tifway 419 out I might would go with that based off what I saw yesterday. Hard to believe my contractor sodded this yard centipede six years ago. When that centipede died last winter that hybrid bermuda took off. It was always there in that centipede. Might have only been 1% at best but when the centipede died it just took off and never looked back. I’ve never seen centipede die off like that nor have I witnessed such a small amount of bermuda spread that fast. The centipede came from the farm that way. It had just a little Tifway 419 in it but typically was held back by a healthy thick centipede sodded yard. When that centipede stumbled this spring though from three late season freezes both that zoysia and Bermuda took off. There is a little centipede left but it’s getting chocked out. Can’t say I’m sad to see the centipede go because these other cultivars are better looking and darker green.
This post was edited on 7/23/23 at 5:33 pm
Posted by Earthquake 88
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Posted on 7/23/23 at 5:38 pm to
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My in-laws and several neighbors have Empire Zoysia and it to me looks similar to Centipede.


That’s odd. My parents Empire Zoysia has a much smaller blade than centipede. The Palisades I looked at yesterday seemed like it had a wider leaf than that Empire. Some of these folks at my local sod farm all look like they get stoned out there all day. No telling what I have planted out in my parents yard. That farm grows two different kinds of zoysia.
Posted by bkhrph
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Member since May 2022
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Posted on 7/24/23 at 7:22 pm to
Make sure to check the “use by” date to make sure the seed is still in date. It’s on the little square on the back or side of bags. I ran across something a couple of months ago that said little, if any, zoysia seed was produced for this year, so if it’s left over from past year(s), it might be expired. But even if it is, some or possibly most of it may still sprout. If you still want to try it, maybe they can discount the price.
Posted by bkhrph
Lake Charles
Member since May 2022
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Posted on 7/24/23 at 7:45 pm to
If you’ve used atrazine this year, it might be worth waiting until next year to seed. It acts as a pre-emergent (prevents germination) and even though it can be used on zoysia, sprouting seeds in its presence is another matter. Check the atrazine label to see what it says about the length of time to wait after its application.
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