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Posted by DBG
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Posted on 7/8/23 at 9:47 pm to
You know why

Posted by imjustafatkid
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Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:27 pm to
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Economic disparities and black markets leading to exploitation areas for organized crime?


Ah yes. The real problem is everyone in the world isn't poor enough.

Because the only way to fix "economic disparity" is to make everyone poorer. That will certainly stop the rich and powerful from trafficking, and definitely wouldn't make more people more desperate and exacerbate the problem.

You're really onto something here. It's almost like you're advocating for exactly the things that would increase the supply of trafficked children.
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 2:08 am to
Keep deflecting, repeating false platitudes you stole from political rags and keep supporting Pedos scumbag.
This post was edited on 7/9/23 at 2:19 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 6:45 am to
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Ah yes. The real problem is everyone in the world isn't poor enough.

No. That's not what I said.

Again, continue to show the world just how much of a dishonest person you are. You're really helping out your cause by self-owning yourself.

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That will certainly stop the rich and powerful from trafficking

Are you talking about local organized criminal units or actual rich and powerful people?

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 6:46 am to
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Keep deflecting, repeating false platitudes you stole from political rags and keep supporting Pedos scumbag.


Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 7:36 am to
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No the people would still be trafficked, just within Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, etc. by organized crime.
To bring the discussion back to the movie. . .this point is made in the film.

The location of the source or destination is unimportant. God's children are not for sale. Who on this board disagrees?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 7:39 am to
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To bring the discussion back to the movie. . .this point is made in the film.

The location of the source or destination is unimportant.

I'm not arguing that. The "the wall would stop this!" stupidity is

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God's children are not for sale. Who on this board disagrees?

Uh...nobody?

Why limit it to children, though? Human trafficking is much larger than children and is wrong with anyone.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 7:48 am to
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Young people in sex work
peccadillo here:

calling it sex work insinuates consent, in my mind.

In this case they can't consent, so they are allowing themselves to be raped.

So it should read:

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Young people allowing themselves to be raped are almost exclusively runaways who choose this lifestyle over their former life.
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Young people are not being kidnapped, in any significant population
This is also false. In Central and South America, they are.

In Africa it can definitely be argued, as well. My foster parents worked with the Catholic Church's initiative to rescue sex slaves,

These men would come to a village (many would already live there) and promise the parents of pretty young girls that they are offering full scholarships and such to send their girls away to fancy schools and colleges. They are actually being sent to be sex slaves. If the girl refuses, the slavers tell them they will hurt their parents.

It's pretty horrible shite, man
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 7:49 am to
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Why limit it to children, though? Human trafficking is much larger than children and is wrong with anyone.
See above post, I agree

But you have to admit it is orders of magnitude worse with kids.
Posted by The Pirate King
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 8:06 am to
Have you actually seen the movie?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 8:43 am to
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peccadillo here:

calling it sex work insinuates consent, in my mind.

Well you miss the entire point, then. Look at the entire comment and come back.

That is also a discussion on domestic "human trafficking" and not international. Again, words used matter in this discussion b/c lots of obfuscation is involved by dishonest actors.

The point of the term is segregation of concepts (dometic sex trafficking) and populations (American teens 14-17) within a larger discussion (human trafficking)

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This is also false. In Central and South America, they are.

See now you're switching from domestic to international, and you didn't cite any data. Different populations, bad actors, economic issues, etc.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 8:51 am to
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But you have to admit it is orders of magnitude worse with kids.

Yes but it's also orders of magnitude the smallest population subset of human trafficking.

Children are 4x more likely to be trafficked for labor than sex work

That is also from the population of children, who are only 27% of the total population of trafficked people on Earth.

Then within that small population (minors involved in sex-based trafficking), a smaller population is forced and an even smaller population was kidnapped.

The real dishonesty involved (and I'm not claiming you are doing this, but others IIT have) is the "yes and" game. Everyone agrees that trafficking is bad and child sex trafficking is the worst form of it, except there is a population who uses this as a Trojan Horse to promote utter nonsense about ritualistic sexual abuse and sacrifice of American minors for Satanic/Moloch .

That's why being very precise with exactly what is being discussed is important, because before you know it, you're supporting literal insanity. That's why even dishonest arguments like "the child sex trade is surpassing the illegal arms trade" have to be called out. Human trafficking has surpassed the illegal arms trade by some reports. However, as we just discussed, child sex trade is a minute portion of this industry. They use a bit of truth dishonestly to attempt a larger point, because they have ulterior movies (or are NPCs spouting talking points like sheep).

That's why they have to rely on shame-based tactics of full adherence, where any question means they accuse you of supporting child sex trafficking or being a pedo yourself.
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 8:59 am to
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See now you're switching from domestic to international
link?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 9:02 am to
The initial part you quoted was a discussion about domestic sex trafficking, and then you followed it up by arguing about Central/South America. Those are two VERY different things with different actors, economic factors, etc.
Posted by MF Doom
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 9:46 am to
Have you ever been checked for autism? Sincere question
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 10:47 am to
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The initial part you quoted was
You

Talking about it n mattering if we stem the trafficking in the US because they will just go elsewhere
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Those are two VERY different things with different actors, economic factors, etc.
Jesus frick. Yes, Obviously. So?

Arrogant prick.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 10:53 am to
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Children are 4x more likely to be trafficked for labor than sex work
About the same with all trafficking (adults included). . .so not really a point.

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24.9 million people trapped in forced labor with 16 million victims of labor trafficking in private industry, 4.8 million victims of sex trafficking, and 4.1 million victims of state-imposed forced labor


LINK
This post was edited on 7/9/23 at 10:57 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 12:11 pm to
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Jesus frick. Yes, Obviously. So?

People engage in dishonest arguments/discussion by mixing the 2 without clarifying.

That's why being very specific is so important.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 1:14 pm to
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Have you ever been checked for autism?

No
Posted by imjustafatkid
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 1:40 pm to
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No. That's not what I said.


Of course it is. Certainly the answer isn't to allow them all to come here.

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Are you talking about local organized criminal units or actual rich and powerful people?


Yes
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