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Is tennis the most unforgiving sport if you're 3rd or 4th best?
Posted on 6/11/23 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 6/11/23 at 12:11 pm
Because it's such an individualized sport that doesn't seem to have the same margin for meltdowns that golf does. Going back to 1993 there have only been seven men who have won at Wimbledon:
Goran Ivaniševic - 1
Lleyton Hewitt - 1
Andy Murray - 2
Rafael Nadal - 2
Novak Djokovic - 7
Pete Sampras - 7
Roger Federer - 8
That's a crazy run of dominance over nearly 30 years. Tennis feels like a sport where there's a clearcut top 2 or 3 and everyone else is just there for the memories.
Goran Ivaniševic - 1
Lleyton Hewitt - 1
Andy Murray - 2
Rafael Nadal - 2
Novak Djokovic - 7
Pete Sampras - 7
Roger Federer - 8
That's a crazy run of dominance over nearly 30 years. Tennis feels like a sport where there's a clearcut top 2 or 3 and everyone else is just there for the memories.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 12:12 pm to Thundercles
It’s pretty brutal. You have no teammate to get bailed out with.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 12:17 pm to Thundercles
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Goran Ivaniševic
I remember watching him in 2001. Unfrickinreal serve.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 12:17 pm to Thundercles
I think so. As an example, I've not been the biggest Stefanos Tsitsipas but I literally felt bad for him on a personal level watching him play Alcaraz and realizing that he'll never win major tournaments as long as this guy who is 5 years younger than him is playing the sport. That has to be a bitter pill to swallow. You are one of the best 10 in the world, but won't reach the summit almost no matter what you do.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 12:19 pm to Thundercles
In the last 19 French opens here are your champions
Nadal
Stan
Federer
Djok
Nadal
Stan
Federer
Djok
Posted on 6/11/23 at 12:21 pm to Thundercles
You missed Agassi there I believe.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 12:23 pm to Thundercles
4th highest salary 2022 for men was over $19mil, I could manage.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 12:36 pm to Thundercles
Still can't believe Roddick blew 2009. That was his day. He finally had a match with Fed under his control.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 12:46 pm to Thundercles
Yes. Prime example is Federer on clay. He was the second-best clay courter in the world by a mile, and very well might be the second-best clay courter ever. Problem was there was another mile between him and Nadal. Fed has almost nothing to show for his skill on clay because Nadal vacuumed everything up.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 1:01 pm to Thundercles
Forget the Top 3/4 or Top 10. At least they win some ATP tournaments and have name recognition wherever they go. There's hundreds of players on the ITF tour just hoping to get into the ATP Top 100. They have to beg for sponsors, pay for travel and equipment and most of the times broke and depend on family support. It really is a brutal, lonely lifestyle and not for the weak minded.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 1:22 pm to Thundercles
Yes. They travel every week to a new city and the top ranked player always wins.
Closest comparison is women’s sports where bracket challenges dont exist because the top seeds all advance every time.
Closest comparison is women’s sports where bracket challenges dont exist because the top seeds all advance every time.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 1:55 pm to Thundercles
quote:
Tennis feels like a sport where there's a clearcut top 2 or 3 and everyone else is just there for the memories.
yep. it's always been thus.
McEnroe Borg
wonderful finals
some Argentine could make them work on clay. he's your guy3.
see also evert vs Navratilova seemed like a decade.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:13 pm to Thundercles
Tennis may be the sport where the “better” player wins the most often. Sure there are upsets but luck is not a big factor due to the sheer volume of points.
A fortunate carom or bounce in golf can be the difference between winning and finishing 30th.
And then in a low scoring team sport like hockey or soccer, one team can absolutely dominate game flow and lose.
Swimming seems to be another one. If you’re second best in your event, you might never win a race like with that British breast stroke guy who was such a massive favorite in every race, the guys behind him
A fortunate carom or bounce in golf can be the difference between winning and finishing 30th.
And then in a low scoring team sport like hockey or soccer, one team can absolutely dominate game flow and lose.
Swimming seems to be another one. If you’re second best in your event, you might never win a race like with that British breast stroke guy who was such a massive favorite in every race, the guys behind him
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:46 pm to Thundercles
Women is just like the men.
Since 1968 (Open Era) to present...6 players have won something like 75% of the Wimbledon titles.
Since 1968 (Open Era) to present...6 players have won something like 75% of the Wimbledon titles.
Posted on 6/12/23 at 7:53 am to Thundercles
Ah a lot has to do with seeding now. 32 seeds at the majors. I wish they would go back to just 16 seeds. You saw a lot more upsets when that happened. A top player could catch someone in a 1st or second round match that could take them out if they weren't in a groove yet.
This post was edited on 6/12/23 at 7:54 am
Posted on 6/12/23 at 8:11 am to Thundercles
Women’s collegiate swimming is pretty unforgiving if you don’t have a dick.
Posted on 6/12/23 at 8:23 am to Thundercles
There was basically an entire lost generation of tennis - players born in the 90s.
F1 has a similar problem due to the importance of money, engineering and construction. The sport attracted a lot of new fans and media interest during the excitement of the changing of the guards from Hamilton to Verstappen. But that was a rare exception - it's the least competitive sport. One team dominates and everybody else is just along for the paycheck and creating the illusion that there's a "race".
Posted on 6/12/23 at 9:15 am to Thundercles
I would also submit to you Olympic Gymnastics.
4th best gets nothing.
4th best gets nothing.
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