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re: Who actually likes “travel ball”
Posted on 5/16/23 at 11:25 am to FlyTheW08
Posted on 5/16/23 at 11:25 am to FlyTheW08
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It was a self fulfilling prophesy. Because everyone thought this, everyone pulled their kids out of rec ball. Rec ball is a shell of its former self. If we could go back 15 years, that would not be the case.
The comment that you have to play travel ball to make the high school team isn't a plus to travel ball it is a truth about rec ball not even existing anymore.
thing is SFP is right as are you to a certain extent
15 years ago only kids that were majors level left to go to travel. those were the kids that made the HS teams
parents of kids not quite that good but way better than average rec kid saw this and saw kids that stayed rec only not make the team. so they pulled their kids out hoping travel would help them get better for HS.
then you had the AA parents that didnt make the AAA or majors teams...they get mad cause their baby is good to damn it. so they create their own team
but what yall are failing to acknowledge is the kids that are left in rec....this system is good for them. honestly its good for everyone developmental wise. sucks major donkey dick financial wise for many that are not upper middle class atleast. but developmental wise the current system is the best that we have ever had. only thing better would be makign kids play every sport until 11. at 11 placing them into the sport they would be suited for based on physical attributes and have the kids weightlifting for GPP starting at 5-6. AKA the old soviet model and chinease model.
but that involves kids being forced into sports they may not like etc.
in the end the current model allows everyone to develop a their own rate and play competition of like talent.
it does leave behind those that cant afford it to a certain exent but you cant worry about that and a whole system for a few that are getting left behind. i.e. you dont lower the standards to allow others to keep up.
kids in rec get to play infield and way more playing time than ever before because of the travel kids being gone. everyonce in a while a kid can develop, make a travel team at 13 and go on to play HS ball. its very very rare but more common now then when all the travel kids were in rec and that kid was relegated to the bench most of the time.
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Posted on 5/16/23 at 11:28 am to Honest Tune
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The xxxtra x’s maybe be a joke, but the fields are littered with Brayden, Jaxtyn, Kuyler
Brayden - yea I’ve seen a few
Jaxtyn - never
Kuyler - never
Y’all need a new schtick
Posted on 5/16/23 at 11:30 am to Mr. Hangover
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You keep pounding this drum but honestly, I don’t think you know wtf you’re talking about. There are more ways to do it than how they do it in Lake Charles. Not every system operates like barbe’s
95% of the big 5a schools and hell for that matter 3a and above that have programs worth a shite is very very similar. atleast in Louisiana. Think Rummel, Jesuit, BM have kids that only played playground ball? where do you think that LLWS team came from? ever heard of carrolton boosters select or renegades black lol? Chalmette Reign?
and he is right to a certain extent though, after 12, if you arent playing majors or high level AAA then you are almost wasting your time.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 11:32 am to lsu777
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ever heard of carrolton boosters
Yea, they just had to forfeit a tournament in Chalmette because they let a nine year old throw in four different games, for a total of 135 pitches in a two day period
frickin pieces of shite. They’re gonna ruin that kid
Posted on 5/16/23 at 11:33 am to BatonrougeCajun
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BatonrougeCajun
btw just saw the list of Barbe incoming freshman....took 5.........this is why the pressure is there. 5 kids made it.
so its somewhere between 5-12 that make it. yea better be starting early cause the other big schools like SH, Sulphur, St Louis, STM, TC, ND are all similar.
last year St louis took big class(15-18), but they have told parents they are cutting that that down to 9 at the most and nobody is gurenteed to make it next year.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 11:34 am to LSUFanHouston
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The concept of an 8 year old getting private hitting instruction is insane and never happened, except in very rare prodigy cases, 20 years ago.
Agree. And most lessons only make the kid a worse hitter or start ingraining bad habits. The overwhelming majority of kids would be better off if they were told to simply hit the ball as hard as they can. Their body will self organize itself in the most efficient manner possible.
I don't think there are a lot kids in the Dominican Republic getting so many lessons at that age. Yet they dominate the MLB.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 11:34 am to Mr. Hangover
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Yea, they just had to forfeit a tournament in Chalmette because they let a nine year old throw in four different games, for a total of 135 pitches in a two day period
frickin pieces of shite. They’re gonna ruin that kid
good, they deserve to forfeit for doing that.
point was though that they are a feeder program. hell their 10u team has or had newman coaches on the damn staff.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 11:40 am to bayoujd
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I don't think there are a lot kids in the Dominican Republic getting so many lessons at that age
ummm....the DR kids are pulled from homes and schools at 10-12 and put into academies. they live, go to school and play baseball there until they are 16ish. sometimes they are cut but its 100% academy style with individual instruction
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Agree. And most lessons only make the kid a worse hitter or start ingraining bad habits. The overwhelming majority of kids would be better off if they were told to simply hit the ball as hard as they can. Their body will self organize itself in the most efficient manner possible.
now this we agree with to a certain extent. the basic lesson model where a guy pitches to your kid with no tech and then tells them waht they did or didnt do wrong is flawed AF
A) you cant see shite without a camera and some tech telling you what is going on
b) constantly being negative and harping mechanics is not a recipe for success. especailly 30 min a week session.
but with the right coach it absolutely can be successful.
I encourage people to look to hitting done right, jake epstein hitting, chad longworth, baseball rebellion and the driveline academy if you want really good hitting instruction that is reasonable(well HDR isnt really that reasonable) and will give you video breakdown and a practice plan to follow
thing is, have to be discplined to follow the program, use the app to video and send in. you have to follow the drills but atleast you have a plan to follwo and its not just a 30min critque session once a week and then thinking that will make you better.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 11:43 am to lsudocts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 11:53 am to lsudocts
I’ve been reading this thread, lots of good points. I find myself in some of the situations people have talked about. My oldest daughter is 11, plays on an “elite” level soccer team. We would play rec, have no issue with rec, but the best players and honestly the ones on her level play on the “elite” level. It’s $1,000 to be on that team. She has been lucky enough to be selected for ODP program on the state level. Olympic development program, they have to try out, and get selected. From there they have to get selected to actually play on that team and travel, which she has. We don’t push it overly hard. She has worked with trainers and college players, we live in college town, she does go to camps, but we aren’t over the top. Her season ended a few weeks ago and other than this ODP stuff, which we go to Tennessee in a few weeks to play in a regional tournament, she hasn’t even touched a ball. I’m torn between continuing to push her or push harder actually or just letting her continue as is and see where it takes her.
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 11:56 am
Posted on 5/16/23 at 12:00 pm to lsu777
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btw just saw the list of Barbe incoming freshman....took 5.........this is why the pressure is there. 5 kids made it. so its somewhere between 5-12 that make it. yea better be starting early cause the other big schools like SH, Sulphur, St Louis, STM, TC, ND are all similar.
If this becomes true in more places then another outlet for good (but not Barbie level good) high school baseball players to play will develop. Doesn’t make sense to assume that everyone is as good as they ever will be at 14 years old.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 12:02 pm to BatonrougeCajun
Lafayette has a solid legion team. Started back up again a couple years ago.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 12:07 pm to Earnest_P
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If this becomes true in more places then another outlet for good (but not Barbie level good) high school baseball players to play will develop. Doesn’t make sense to assume that everyone is as good as they ever will be at 14 years old.
well i think this class is kind of an adnominally as a lot of the better kids in the class are going to st louis. not all of course and barbe prolly got better overall top players but this class was hurt by the numbers going to st louis. I actually think this trend continues some once st louis gets new school built.
but yea the kids go to other schools or play travel.
in some respects Louisiana is lucky as the HS baseball culture here is still strong. in many other places, its becoming very weak and giving way to just travel teams and kids saying screw HS baseball
much of that is because of just numbers, the travel orgs are better at developing talent. Josh Cathcart has talked about this on podcast and his youtube. in places where HS baseball is weak...can expect the better players to almost go strictly travel in the next decade.
dont think many states in the south have to worry but much of the midwest should.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 12:07 pm to Mr Clean
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Lafayette has a solid legion team. Started back up again a couple years ago.
yea well the NOLA league disappeared so will be hard to get it back. most schools are leaving legion and opting for travel instead.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 12:09 pm to lsudocts
Travel ball was the most fun I ever had as a kid. It’s important though not to just join a team with people you don’t know. Gotta do it with friends.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 12:09 pm to lsu777
When I was young, Shreveport had a full Legion league, led by the Bossier Phillies
Posted on 5/16/23 at 12:09 pm to Mr Clean
quote:MR COOK!
Lafayette has a solid legion team. Started back up again a couple years ago.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 12:10 pm to Mr Clean
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When I was young, Shreveport had a full Legion league, led by the Bossier Phillies
yea when i was in HS everyone played legion during the summer if you wanted to keep playing after HS season. now....its different
Posted on 5/16/23 at 12:12 pm to lsu777
quote:HS coaches wanted to spend more time and resources on their returning players not graduated seniors or even college returnees. G&A still around
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Lafayette has a solid legion team. Started back up again a couple years ago.
yea well the NOLA league disappeared so will be hard to get it back. most schools are leaving legion and opting for travel instead.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 12:15 pm to 777Tiger
quote:True. Travel ball is usually where you find future big leaguers. This is a list of about 1200 players that made it to MLB from 2005-2022 that played on USSSA teams. USSSA.org
the best athletes will find their way. they always do.
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 12:16 pm
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