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re: WSJ: America Is Back in the Factory Business
Posted on 4/9/23 at 8:14 am to ragincajun03
Posted on 4/9/23 at 8:14 am to ragincajun03
We’re too reliant on China and Taiwan for semiconductors. And now that we are on-shoring that, we are mandating electric cars whose source material is procured through Bolivia and contractually entitled by Chinese battery companies.
We are fighting our own stupidity at this point.
We are fighting our own stupidity at this point.
This post was edited on 4/9/23 at 8:15 am
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Posted on 4/9/23 at 8:24 am to HarryBalzack
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India and China appear incapable of making things that aren't complete shite.
Even with both countries having 1B+ in population both seem to lack creativity and ingenuity. The Chinese can reverse-engineer everything but not come up with an original idea.
Posted on 4/9/23 at 8:40 am to ragincajun03
There's a lot of "government incentives" in those numbers, in other words, a big inflated balloon. Car batteries are no different than windmills were and they will crash the same. I also wonder how much of those numbers are missile factories cranking out order paid for by US Ukraine aid?
Posted on 4/9/23 at 1:17 pm to F1y0n7h3W4LL
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Either you produce the product or you are the product.
Posted on 4/9/23 at 1:33 pm to ragincajun03
10 years behind where it should be.
Posted on 4/9/23 at 1:44 pm to bad93ex
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Even with both countries having 1B+ in population both seem to lack creativity and ingenuity. The Chinese can reverse-engineer everything but not come up with an original idea.
It's something with the Asian culture. Innovation is not their strong point.
And yes, that includes the Japanese. They're good at improving things but not at coming up with new ideas.
Posted on 4/9/23 at 1:46 pm to BuckyCheese
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It's something with the Asian culture. Innovation is not their strong point.
They're not taught to think outside the box. That's wrong in their cultures. Hence, the lack of innovation.
Posted on 4/9/23 at 2:01 pm to ragincajun03
Nice to finally have some positive non apocalyptic news for once.
Posted on 4/9/23 at 2:08 pm to Lawyered
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The cobalt is the new blood diamond
There are already multiple substitutes for Cobalt in many applications and several more alternatives coming out shortly. I wouldnt invest in cobalt miners.
This post was edited on 4/9/23 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 4/9/23 at 2:17 pm to billjamin
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There are already multiple substitutes for Cobalt in many applications and several more alternatives coming out shortly. I wouldnt invest in cobalt miners.
Is cobalt needed in sodium-ion batteries?
Posted on 4/9/23 at 2:42 pm to ragincajun03
Lots of good ideas in this thread.
We're self sufficient in oil and gas, if we want to be.
Electricity demand wise, industry and home use, start building nuclear plants using modern technology. Three Mile Island was a long time ago with technology inferior than available now. The French have been doing this for years.
Bring manufacturing home that's economically feasible over the long term, and become an export giant once again like after WW2. Replace China where we can, the advanced technology sector.
Outsourcing manufacturing to stable Latin American countries is an option not yet fully explored.
We can do this if we have the will, tenacity and motivated political leadership.
Business goes where the money is, stable economic policy is a must.
None of these ideas are new, only their implementation.
We're self sufficient in oil and gas, if we want to be.
Electricity demand wise, industry and home use, start building nuclear plants using modern technology. Three Mile Island was a long time ago with technology inferior than available now. The French have been doing this for years.
Bring manufacturing home that's economically feasible over the long term, and become an export giant once again like after WW2. Replace China where we can, the advanced technology sector.
Outsourcing manufacturing to stable Latin American countries is an option not yet fully explored.
We can do this if we have the will, tenacity and motivated political leadership.
Business goes where the money is, stable economic policy is a must.
None of these ideas are new, only their implementation.
Posted on 4/9/23 at 3:01 pm to Tmcgin
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Clinton did not balance the budget
The information revolution balanced it
And the “Peace Dividend” created by the Reagan Hawks, and Welfare Reform which was shoved down Clinton’s throat.
Posted on 4/9/23 at 3:06 pm to East Coast Band
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Maybe the Covid thing was a good wake up call that US manufacturers need to play the long term gain and keep things here at home.
And I promise you, this isn't something this Administration is influencing. They will claim it, but their hearts are really with the Chinese, and US manufacturing doesn't help Chin
During the decades in which we have been manufacturing in China, automation has made the process far less reliant on labor and thus neutralized the Chinese advantage. The risk of the long supply chain and China’s sudden appearance as an enemy, has made it attractive to bring the industries home.
Now the question is: Where will we get the power?
Posted on 4/9/23 at 3:07 pm to bad93ex
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Even with both countries having 1B+ in population both seem to lack creativity and ingenuity. The Chinese can reverse-engineer everything but not come up with an original idea.
Difference in patent law. The US uses patent law to reward invention and discovery. China shits all over patent law
Posted on 4/9/23 at 3:22 pm to ragincajun03
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Some people just don’t want to read or hear that anything good is happening while someone they don’t like is in the White House or Governor’s mansion. It IS possible for there to be economic growth or good economic news even with an idiot in the White House
To be fair, companies started planning to move production here while Trump was POTUS. It takes time to make that happen.
It’s good news for American workers.
Posted on 4/9/23 at 3:46 pm to bad93ex
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Is cobalt needed in sodium-ion batteries?
They can be made with our without them just like the Lithium Iron ones that Tesla is already making.
Posted on 4/9/23 at 3:56 pm to billjamin
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They can be made with our without them just like the Lithium Iron ones that Tesla is already making.
Just read about the sodium-ion batteries today and I’m intrigued since that seems to be the biggest hurdle right now for electric vehicles outside of charging stations.
Posted on 4/9/23 at 4:02 pm to ragincajun03
Biden just might get himself placed on Mt Rushmore before it’s all said and done!
#MyPresident
#MyPresident
Posted on 4/9/23 at 4:03 pm to bad93ex
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Just read about the sodium-ion batteries today and I’m intrigued since that seems to be the biggest hurdle right now for electric vehicles outside of charging stations.
They solve a lot of the lithium based issues. Charge rate for sure. We think cycle life will be better but honestly thats more theoretical at the moment since we really don't even know what CL on the latest modern LFP batteries is. If you look you'll see a lot of movement in supply chain investment going that way.
Posted on 4/9/23 at 4:22 pm to Mr Breeze
Nuclear power in the US is not going to happen any time soon BUT it is starting to pick-up steam as the way to go.
Its becoming more and more evident that solar & wind are not going to cut it for our electricity needs.
Natural gas is quietly making a comeback as a fuel to power our plants.
A NP in Georgia just went on-line after years and years of set-backs.
The NRC just gave approval to a new mini modular NP design.
This could be the door to what our country needs to get the NP ball rolling.
The over 90 NP plants in America are aging, most are now over 40 years old. NP tech, as you alluded to, as advanced leaps since.
We now have Generation III NP plant technology WestinghouseAP1000that has been approved by the NRC.
Europe is doing a 180 degree turn on NP and construction is now in the planning stages for countries like Poland, Ukraine, and the Czech Republic.
Even Germany is having a change of heart on NP.
And I know this comes as a shock but even states like CooCoo-fornia are having a change of heart.
The xiden administration is coming to terms with NP
Its becoming more and more evident that solar & wind are not going to cut it for our electricity needs.
Natural gas is quietly making a comeback as a fuel to power our plants.
A NP in Georgia just went on-line after years and years of set-backs.
The NRC just gave approval to a new mini modular NP design.
This could be the door to what our country needs to get the NP ball rolling.
The over 90 NP plants in America are aging, most are now over 40 years old. NP tech, as you alluded to, as advanced leaps since.
We now have Generation III NP plant technology WestinghouseAP1000that has been approved by the NRC.
Europe is doing a 180 degree turn on NP and construction is now in the planning stages for countries like Poland, Ukraine, and the Czech Republic.
Even Germany is having a change of heart on NP.
And I know this comes as a shock but even states like CooCoo-fornia are having a change of heart.
The xiden administration is coming to terms with NP
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