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re: WSJ: America Is Back in the Factory Business

Posted on 4/9/23 at 4:24 pm to
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
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Posted on 4/9/23 at 4:24 pm to
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Nuclear power in the US is not going to happen any time soon BUT it is starting to pick-up steam as the way to go.

Fresh PTC subsidy has cash moving into nuke quickly I'm seeing huge increases in investment interest. I imagine that will pick up even more momentum once the official guidance comes out. I wouldn't sleep on it, it's coming quick.
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The xiden administration is coming to terms with NP

He's a tard, but he's the first president to help nuclear in forever.
This post was edited on 4/9/23 at 4:26 pm
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
49769 posts
Posted on 4/9/23 at 4:25 pm to
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And I know this comes as a shock but even states like CooCoo-fornia are having a change of heart.

The xiden administration is coming to terms with NP


Anyone with intelligence knew it was the way to go for quite some time. The politicians had to keep their environmental nuts in line and milk that angle as long as they could.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
58246 posts
Posted on 4/9/23 at 4:28 pm to
NP and Natural Gas need to be at the front of our future plans. NG is an easy thing to push more aggressively and we have plenty of it
Posted by bad93ex
Member since Sep 2018
27342 posts
Posted on 4/9/23 at 4:43 pm to
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NP and Natural Gas need to be at the front of our future plans. NG is an easy thing to push more aggressively and we have plenty of it


Gas ranges are not in the future
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
12633 posts
Posted on 4/9/23 at 4:47 pm to
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Gas ranges are not in the future

Mine identifies as trans-electric.

ETA there's a fairly solid argument to be made that NG home use is very inefficient. I still think the benefits outweigh the negatives, but when you look at what's required to support the infrastructure, the potential danger, efficiency, etc. the highest and best use is running it in large gen units and going all electric. I don't want it, but there are plenty of legit studies that aren't made by enviro-loons that support it.
This post was edited on 4/9/23 at 4:53 pm
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
58246 posts
Posted on 4/9/23 at 4:52 pm to
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Mine identifies as trans-electric.


Eco liberals are really really stupid in general, but I can’t figure out the hard on they have against natural gas.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
12633 posts
Posted on 4/9/23 at 4:53 pm to
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Eco liberals are really really stupid in general, but I can’t figure out the hard on they have against natural gas.

There's some real science behind the movement to eliminate it from home use, i added an ETA to my above post and can expand on that if anyone cares.

But lest be honest, it's mostly the virtue signal du jour.
This post was edited on 4/9/23 at 4:55 pm
Posted by bad93ex
Member since Sep 2018
27342 posts
Posted on 4/9/23 at 4:57 pm to
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But lest be honest, it's mostly the virtue signal du jour.


Isn’t that all of it?
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
58246 posts
Posted on 4/9/23 at 4:57 pm to
Good points, but how is it really dangerous for home use?
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
12633 posts
Posted on 4/9/23 at 5:01 pm to
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Isn’t that all of it?

99% from a policy and politician perspective.

But, I've seen the studies. People in the utility companies know this and they'll usually shoot pretty straight about it. There's a real argument to be made that if we could have a do over, we should have never piped gas around to houses. There's so much gas leakage you can't even do passive detection anymore because you wouldn't get 2 blocks before you had to stop and investigate. And if you've ever met an HDPE "welder" you'd wonder how we haven't all died in our own homes in a fire ball. It's really a mess but i still don't want to change out my gas range, grill, boiling pot or on demand water heater for electric.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
49769 posts
Posted on 4/9/23 at 5:02 pm to
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the highest and best use is running it in large gen units and going all electric.


Having had an all electric cabin, I'd have to see some vastly more efficient methods of electrically heating a house.

And yes, it was insulated and only 1200 sq ft. (2400 with full walk out basement) The electric bill was twice as much as the gas bill for heating a 3400 square foot 1895 built house with original windows.
This post was edited on 4/9/23 at 5:14 pm
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
12633 posts
Posted on 4/9/23 at 5:06 pm to
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Good points, but how is it really dangerous for home use?

The big one they talk about to get people worked up is the respiratory one. That's mostly BS. It can happen but the houses need to be poorly ventilated and you need to huff a lot of it.

The more legit arguments are that the infrastructure is old AF, was never really all that great to begin with and we might start seeing a bunch more house blowing up. That and just all that leaking gas, inefficient appliances (compared to a big NG gen unit at least) is an unnecessary loss that the public pays for.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
114038 posts
Posted on 4/9/23 at 5:16 pm to
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Some people just don’t want to read or hear that anything good is happening while someone they don’t like is in the White House or Governor’s mansion.

It IS possible for there to be economic growth or good economic news even with an idiot in the White House. Look at the domestic oil & gas and petrochemical industries right now.

You see it in Louisiana with the LNG and plant expansions. It doesn’t mean John Bel Edwards is some great Governor. It just means American industries eventually find a way to be prosperous, many times in spite of political climate.




This. Whatever happened to America first? I don't know if its just getting older and it becomes the mindset of people as they get older or if its something that has changed, but it seems like people were not as loyal to their party as they are today and that's what both parties want. They want people to be more for their party than their country.

Whatever happened to voting for who you decide to vote for, but if they lose you still pull for the country to do well?
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
12633 posts
Posted on 4/9/23 at 5:19 pm to
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Having had an all electric cabin, I'd have to see some vastly more efficient methods of electrically heating a house.

And yes, it was insulated and only 1200 sq ft. The electric bill was twice as much as the gas bill for heating a 3400 square foot 1895 built house with original windows.

It's not really something that always works out at the house level. And prices are a tough gauge, because while it's what the consumer feels, there's so much PUC/utility frickery in there that you never know what's real unless you study the rate case data.

But for places where it would still be best to run gas, going to propane is a superior option and that eliminates the infrastructure issue.

We have 2 house out in west texas right next to each other. One built in the late 1800s and the other 2 years old. One all electric and one on propane. They're on separate meters and i think it's a wash given the age and size difference at the end of the day over a whole year. But i will say we never go out of our way to cook in the electric kitchen because it blows.

Posted by exiledhogfan
Missouri
Member since Jul 2021
1250 posts
Posted on 4/9/23 at 7:10 pm to
Thanks Joe Biden!
Posted by exiledhogfan
Missouri
Member since Jul 2021
1250 posts
Posted on 4/9/23 at 7:11 pm to
the bad orange man was onto grifting; he didn't give two shits about the economy at large;
Posted by ElJefe686
Houston
Member since Nov 2012
794 posts
Posted on 4/9/23 at 7:14 pm to
Poor countries export materials.

Rich countries manufacture.
Posted by ImaObserver
Member since Aug 2019
2294 posts
Posted on 4/9/23 at 10:16 pm to
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The industry is actually hurting for workers—about 800,000 more are needed, according to the National Association of Manufacturers—leading to concerns that labor shortages and other bottlenecks could short-circuit the boom.

Get those lazy bastards off of the dole and all of the freebies that our taxes are paying for and there will be more than enough workers.
There is no way that a "homeless" person, welfare momma or her dependent baby daddy should be able to prosper and live a life that they are happy with without earning every bit of it. We are a nation of leeches and enablers.
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