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Turkey Popul. Decline Explained

Posted on 3/18/23 at 8:20 am
Posted by EF Hutton
Member since Jan 2018
2366 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 8:20 am
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I can remember the 2002-2006 boom. Had a grand ole time, and there were many turkeys.

Also remember the late 1980’s in the Florida parishes. Turkey headquarters.

I remember the two huge rocket net studies done in 2006, one in Washington parish, and the other in the Tensas River NWR. The Wash. parish one clearly showed that the season was being opened too early, and is greatly responsible for the April season.
And just like this article says, there was great political pressure not to change. It came out of East Feliciana parish.

Very accurate article.
Posted by Purple Spoon
Hoth
Member since Feb 2005
18038 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 8:47 am to
Without reading the article, collaps of trapping and fur trade has got to be a huge factor.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
24190 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 9:20 am to
Avian flu and coyotes. Decimating Galliformes populations all over the country.
This post was edited on 3/18/23 at 9:22 am
Posted by BFIV
Virginia
Member since Apr 2012
7793 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 1:36 pm to
Armadillos and hogs.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
19777 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 3:36 pm to
I can only speak for my area…

Industrial forestry.
Lack of of quality habitat
Posted by WarCamEagle88
NC
Member since Feb 2018
190 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 4:51 pm to
Disease, increased predators, and worsening habit quality is a tough circumstance to thrive in.

About 25 years ago, I saw almost 150 turkeys in one day from the tree stand during late muzzleloader season. Multiple flocks of 30-50 turkeys moved through a field that had just gotten covered in cow manure. Today on that farm, most flocks we see only have 10-15 birds in it. In that 25 years, less corn has been grown there and more coyotes have started showing up. Then factor in any diseases in the area. It’s all made a huge difference.

On my trail cams, I’ll see groups of hens with 20 or so chicks in May. By June and early July, those same groups on have 1 or 2 chicks left. Chicks need thick, tall grass to hide in, and we just don’t have enough around there. Makes them easier for predators to find.
Posted by ml
Japan
Member since Mar 2015
133 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 7:41 pm to
I live in Alabama and my backyard borders the national forest. For the last 3 years in the month of April, the leptons in charge decide to control burn half the mountain. I guess they think the hens can pick up their nests, and eggs, and move away from the fire.
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
15540 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:49 am to
Hogs
Coyotes
Preditors
Timber cutting

Plus, turkeys are an extremely fragile species....only 2 birds make it to maturity per nest hatch.
Posted by Darbonne1
Member since Jun 2022
86 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 11:54 am to
Nobody has mentioned heavy rains which has effect on eggs hatching.
Posted by flyingtexastiger
Southlake, TX
Member since Oct 2005
1651 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 7:46 pm to
Is population such a long word that we need to abbreviate it?
Posted by lowhound
Effie
Member since Aug 2014
7640 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 10:53 am to
Not many people predator hunting and trapping anymore. We need more coon hunters out there. If somebody made a hat that said Make Coonhunting Great Again, I'd wear it.
This post was edited on 3/20/23 at 10:55 am
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 7:24 pm to
They could push it back a few weeks in Alabama the last couple of years the birds have been hot after the season ended
Posted by Sparetime
Lookin down at La
Member since Sep 2014
909 posts
Posted on 3/21/23 at 8:59 am to
Habitat is a fall back for every bookworm biologist, professor, etc. In respect to the wild turkey decline there are two issues that they dodge because, the first is their fault and the second they can't do anything about it. Legal baiting/feeding and buffalo gnats(flood waters).

1. Baiting/feeding The worst thing for the wild turkey is feeding. First, no telling how many have been killed from aflatoxin. Biologist can't prove that so they debunk it. Second, you concentrate all the prey into one area...... what do the predators do? They eat in one area. Go look at the study by MSU on Feeder vs. Non feeder predator pressure. The state of MS now has a trophy class of coons, possums, and skunks because of high fat/protein diets. The state is basically subsidizing the wild turkey's number one threat, they really throw a fit if you bring this one up....

2. Buffalo gnats. The state nerds really hate this one because it puts them at odds with their big cousins at the Corps of Engineers. We can all agree the decline started around 2014-2015. In SW MS the first bad gnat summer began in 2009. That's 5 zero hatches. Adams county MS lost 90% of its chicken population in the June of 2014-2016, per county agent. How many turkeys also died, i would say at least the same amount. The corps nerds all agree that the decade of high water caused a buffalo gnat boom and they are sorry for the inconvenience. People say man there are Jakes everywhere this Spring, next year is gonna be great. Next year comes and their are no 2 year olds, what gives? Your Jakes are dead as soon as May rolls around when they sufficate from Gnats. Seen this happen for a decade. Now, the last two springs have both improved, haven't had a gnat problem in almost 3 years...... the jakes are making it.

So we have two issues that identically match the timeline of the decline to turkey populations that nobody cam dis with a straight face...... but habitat is our main problem so lets go put our snake chaps on and have a day outside strolling through the project. Give me a break. Go put some corn feeders in the best habitat in the world, just means the egg snatchers can hide from their predators and have grits to go with their eggs in the morning.
Posted by ewilliams000
Castor Springs
Member since Feb 2012
1958 posts
Posted on 3/22/23 at 7:24 am to
Everyone seems to be missing the mark. Quails are being designated by fire ants and probably turkeys are facing the same fate. When the first quail egg hatches, fire ants are there to welcome it. They simply wait around for the next one to hatch. Throw a meat scrap on the ground and come back in a few hours. Our ant friends will be there. I think this is main factor in ground nesting declines.
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
15540 posts
Posted on 3/22/23 at 7:33 pm to
Great article, and it is right.

Posted by SenseiBuddy
Ascension Parish
Member since Oct 2005
4456 posts
Posted on 3/23/23 at 10:02 am to
I’ve been working with turkeys for tomorrow organization as they net test and monitor wild turkeys an order to understand predation and population control. We’ve been getting pictures on camera of their activities and it’s been amazing. We’ve partnered with multiple universities who are participating in the study, including Auburn, Tennessee, Mississippi State, and a few others. This image was from one of the cameras, capturing the netting procedure. Then they check each bird for injury, take a blood sample and then some cases outfit with a transmitter on the leg. The study has been going on across multiple universities has a grant from turkeys for tomorrow.

Posted by Tusksup
Sheridan, AR
Member since Feb 2023
1520 posts
Posted on 3/26/23 at 9:59 pm to
I have a friend that swears up and down that the poison used to control pine boring beetles is destroying bird populations, including turkeys.
Judging by what happened with the eagle population, he may be onto something.
Posted by RoIITide
Member since Dec 2010
852 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:51 am to
Reading through this thread just for info because I don’t hunt turkeys. Deer all day, everyday…yes.

Sitting on the ground with snakes, ticks, chiggers and the like…hell no.

I’m in a tree stand right now waiting to kill any predator that is being listed here. I’ve got them all. I’ve let coon after coon live because I didn’t know better. Do now.

My boy has been in the woods all turkey season here in Alabama and has talked about seeing less gobblers. Passed up many jakes, apparently. Kid was scouting turkeys every morning before school until season started. Screw that.

Y’all turkey hunters are a different breed. I tip my hat to ya.
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