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Posted on 3/3/23 at 2:00 pm to conservativewifeymom
It's the BBC, they have no idea there is a difference between Cajun and Creole.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 2:01 pm to sidewalkside
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they have no idea there is a difference between Cajun and Creole.
to be fair, most people in La don't know the difference
Posted on 3/3/23 at 2:01 pm to conservativewifeymom
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Louisiana Creoles (French: Créoles de la Louisiane, Louisiana Creole: Moun Kréyòl la Lwizyàn, Spanish: Criollos de Luisiana) are people descended from the inhabitants of colonial Louisiana before it became a part of the United States during the period of both French and Spanish rule. As an ethnic group, their ancestry is mainly of Louisiana French, West African, Spanish and Native American origin.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 2:03 pm to Saskwatch
Wayne Toups did “Zydecajun.” And Zachary Richard once did a chunk-a-chank homage to zydeco.
Traditionally, zydeco performers are black.
Traditionally, zydeco performers are black.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 2:03 pm to 777Tiger
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to be fair, most people in La don't know the difference
True dat
Posted on 3/3/23 at 2:04 pm to el Gaucho
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the butt thing guy
Horace Trahan, I think.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 2:05 pm to JudgeHolden
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In Acadiana, Creole means French speaking black people.
Yep.
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You mean besides inventing it, preserving it, and playing it? Sorry, baw. Zydeco is the music of the Creoles of the Louisiana prairie.
Nope. Zydeco is the blend of French Canadian (Cajun) folk music and folk music played by Creoles, with African roots, obviously. Zydeco music in its current form would not exist today without the influence of both cultures and both cultures have managed to preserve it better than much.
The large number of free blacks, usually creole, in south Louisiana actually interacted relatively well with the Cajun people and there was a great deal of cultural blending.
It helped that both were from economically modest means and frequently worked side by side farming and fishing. New Orleans had a large number of free blacks during slavery and the largest Slave owner in the city was a black woman. (Who, BTW, sold her husband to a neighbor after a fight. She later tried to buy him back but the neighbor refused to sell!)
I bring that up for context when reviewing the interactions between the Cajun and creole people. Very few Cajuns were wealthy enough to own slaves since they were forced to leave nearly everything behind when they escaped Nova Scotia during Le Grand Dérangement. That fact, when combined with the large number of free blacks in the area, made for much better racial relations than anywhere else in the south, debatably.
This post was edited on 3/3/23 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 3/3/23 at 2:07 pm to JudgeHolden
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In Acadiana, Creole means French speaking black people.
Yeah...so it's redundant to call them "Creoles of Colour."
They are just Creoles
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You mean besides inventing it, preserving it, and playing it? Sorry, baw. Zydeco is the music of the Creoles of the Louisiana prairie.
It's the music of Acadiana, and draws from multiples sources, much like cuisine and language.
This post was edited on 3/3/23 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 3/3/23 at 2:08 pm to LSUGrrrl
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Le Grand Dérangement
My son will. He will know that his people were exiled by a shitty government for being loyal to their family, friends, and neighbors before any flag.
Ethnicities be damned.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 2:09 pm to JudgeHolden
Louisiana has its own definition of creole
I always understood you were creole if your ancestors came over straight from France, Spain etc vs the cajun exile route
I always understood you were creole if your ancestors came over straight from France, Spain etc vs the cajun exile route
This post was edited on 3/3/23 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 3/3/23 at 2:20 pm to S
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Louisiana has its own definition of creole
I always understood you were creole if your ancestors came over straight from France, Spain etc vs the cajun exile route
That’s not even close to being true.
If they came from French or Spanish colonies prior to Louisiana being a US state, they were simply French or Spanish.
Cajun refers to a specific group of French Canadians who were oppressed by the British government, had their land stolen and escaped to the US with what they could carry with soldiers hunting them down as they fled.
Creole is a specific group of black, French speaking people, usually from island slave background.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 2:22 pm to LSUGrrrl
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If they came from French or Spanish colonies prior to Louisiana being a US state, they were simply French or Spanish.
Cajun refers to a specific group of French Canadians who were oppressed by the British government, had their land stolen and escaped to the US with what they could carry with soldiers hunting them down as they fled.
Creole is a specific group of black, French speaking people, usually from island slave background.
you and I must have the same textbook
Posted on 3/3/23 at 2:24 pm to 777Tiger
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you and I must have the same textbook
Maybe. Or we paid attention and know our own history. Our ancestors would be horrified to know that what happened to them was forgotten over just a few generations.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 2:26 pm to LSUGrrrl
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Our ancestors would be horrified to know that what happened to them was forgotten over just a few generations.
sad but true
Posted on 3/3/23 at 2:26 pm to X123F45
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My son will. He will know that his people were exiled by a shitty government for being loyal to their family, friends, and neighbors before any flag.
Ethnicities be damned.
Thank you. It’s sad that so many people even of our own generation don’t know what happened to our ancestors and how it influences our culture even today.
Lest it be repeated…
Posted on 3/3/23 at 3:29 pm to LSUGrrrl
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If they came from French or Spanish colonies prior to Louisiana being a US state, they were simply French or Spanish.
I’m talking about their descendants born in Louisiana
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Creole is a specific group of black, French speaking people, usually from island slave background.
Yes, that is your textbook “creole”
In Louisiana, you also have “Louisiana creole” which is specific to La.
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The term "Creole" has long generated confusion and controversy. The word invites debate because it possesses several meanings, some of which concern the innately sensitive subjects of race and ethnicity.
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Nineteenth-Century Creoles In the antebellum nineteenth century, black, white, and mixed-race Louisiana natives continued to use Creole in reference to themselves. The term distinguished native-born persons from increasing numbers of immigrants hailing from overseas and, after the Louisiana Purchase in 1803, Anglo-American newcomers. But with the coming of the Civil War, the end of slavery, and the subsequent collapse of the South’s economy, white Louisianans gradually took away the privileged status that set Creoles of color apart from formerly enslaved black Creoles. By the 1890s, no middle ground remained for the mixed-race ethnic group. As one historian has observed, Creoles of color “were left with nothing but their sense of group identity and a nostalgia for halcyon times.” Although they now occupied the same social stratum as former slaves, Creoles of color continued to hold themselves apart as distinct from blacks. They did so, for example, through the practice of endogamy (marriage within the ethnic group).
As mentioned, many whites in antebellum Louisiana also referred to themselves as Creoles. Among whites, the term generally referred to persons of upper-class French or Spanish ancestry, and even German ancestry (though all eventually spoke French as their primarily language). The term has even been applied persons of Italian ancestry in New Orleans. Indeed, many white Creoles could be found in New Orleans, as well as in parishes such as Avoyelles and Evangeline, which, while incorrectly regarded today as historically Acadian, were actually populated by white Creoles. Politically, Louisiana’s aristocratic white Creoles stood in contrast to the more democratic Américains who flooded the state after the Louisiana Purchase. For example, white Creoles in the early nineteenth century used their influence in state government to grant voting rights only to males who paid taxes and owned property, thereby denying the vote to many poor white males. Like the Creoles of color, white Creoles experienced dramatic economic decline after the Civil War. While some managed to retain their sense of identity, many white Creoles—particularly in rural and small-town southern Louisiana—began to intermarry with the region’s large Acadian population.
Creoles: 64 Parishes
Posted on 3/3/23 at 3:41 pm to S
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I’m talking about their descendants born in Louisiana
Very interesting. My knowledge is gained through the lens of Cajun expulsion and settlement in South Louisiana. Truthfully, I’ve read very little about the descendants of those non-Cajuns from French and Spanish colonies. Thanks for the info!
Posted on 3/3/23 at 3:48 pm to LSUGrrrl
Cheers! There’s a lot of reading material out there. This “what is creole?” debate always pops up on here every few months. It’s interesting to me because on my grandma’s side im cajun and my grandfather’s side came here straight from the Bordeaux area in the 1880s. My grandma’s side also has some Italian.
This post was edited on 3/3/23 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 3/3/23 at 3:57 pm to S
My grandmothers side is pure Cajun. My grandfather’s dad was smuggled out of Italy by priests to avoid fighting for the Germans in WW1 and brought to New Orleans to stay with a catholic family who sponsored him. He spoke 7 languages and joined the US military as a translator.
This post was edited on 3/3/23 at 3:58 pm
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