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Rather than splitting America up with a national divorce I have a better solution.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 2/22/23 at 5:28 pm
We all know the political divide between America First patriots and Dims is probably unbridgeable. A lot of the division is where our tax dollars are spent, many on each side believe their tax money is supporting programs and institutions that don't align with their political beliefs.
I think most of us agree there are common needs and interests between both sides, such as national defense, huge infrastructure projects, possibly some retirement funding and help with medical care, maybe some type of space exploration program, etc. The aforementioned things could be a shared responsibility through taxation but there are quite a few things we simply don't agree on and we shouldn't have to support the other sides programs and institutions with our tax money, for instance.
If you believe in open borders then there should be an additional tax deduction on your payroll tax, same with student loan forgiveness or free college, that would be another payroll tax deduction, how about NPR? Planned Parenthood?
You see, I think when you have to pay for your desired programs and institutions out of your paycheck through payroll taxes it suddenly becomes apparent you're not that interested in those programs and institutions.
I think most of us agree there are common needs and interests between both sides, such as national defense, huge infrastructure projects, possibly some retirement funding and help with medical care, maybe some type of space exploration program, etc. The aforementioned things could be a shared responsibility through taxation but there are quite a few things we simply don't agree on and we shouldn't have to support the other sides programs and institutions with our tax money, for instance.
If you believe in open borders then there should be an additional tax deduction on your payroll tax, same with student loan forgiveness or free college, that would be another payroll tax deduction, how about NPR? Planned Parenthood?
You see, I think when you have to pay for your desired programs and institutions out of your paycheck through payroll taxes it suddenly becomes apparent you're not that interested in those programs and institutions.
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 5:31 pm to Bass Tiger
Secession is feasible. This weird optional tax thing is not, especially when the left wants to force everybody to pay for their bullshite. That's in and of itself is a big reason for the division.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 5:34 pm to Bass Tiger
So you want everything you believe in to be paid for with everyone's tax dollars and everything everyone else believes in to only be paid for with their tax dollars?
You are the problem with this country.
You are the problem with this country.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 5:37 pm to armsdealer
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So you want everything you believe in to be paid for with everyone's tax dollars and everything everyone else believes in to only be paid for with their tax dollars?
I'd guess if only tax payers voted, the priorities would be strikingly different.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 5:38 pm to Landmass
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Secession is feasible.
Wrong.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 5:44 pm to Bass Tiger
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If you believe in open borders then there should be an additional tax deduction on your payroll tax, same with student loan forgiveness or free college, that would be another payroll tax deduction, how about NPR? Planned Parenthood?
this reminded me of a video i saw a while back. pretty funny
short video
full video
guy in california goes in public asking people to sign petition for free college, and says sign your name, and whatever % of your salary you're willing to give so that college can be free.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 5:52 pm to armsdealer
The things he listed are things both sides want .
Splitting up would be the best thing for conservatives. But something like the original post said is better then what we have .I think congress should come up with a certain number of things our taxes can be spent on and we pick which one it goes too. We would see what people really support .
Splitting up would be the best thing for conservatives. But something like the original post said is better then what we have .I think congress should come up with a certain number of things our taxes can be spent on and we pick which one it goes too. We would see what people really support .
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:02 pm to BayouBlitz
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Secession is feasible.
Wrong.
Why do you want to be countrymen with people you loathe?
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:02 pm to Bass Tiger
There's just too much world hegemonic power in DC for it ever to put American interests first. It's interests are world domination. Ours are infrastructure, education, defense, civil liberties, health, and employment. DC has to be destroyed and the country disbanded into an EU of sorts until their tyranny can ever be checked.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:06 pm to armsdealer
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So you want everything you believe in to be paid for with everyone's tax dollars and everything everyone else believes in to only be paid for with their tax dollars? You are the problem with this country.
Pay attention!
I said there will be things both sides agree on, I listed some examples. The point is, if you want a society that includes things like free college, open borders, publicly funded radio/television, art programs, abortion clinics run by Planned Parenthood, etc. you as an individual who believes in that BS should be the people funding it. The research and implementation of this voluntary payroll tax would be a little bit of a challenge but it could be done and you could get your taxes to the programs and institutions you hold dear to your heart. I would envision this voluntary tax system would group unnecessary tax liabilities into just a few additional tax deductions that would cover the bulk of your socialist whims.
This post was edited on 2/22/23 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:09 pm to Bass Tiger
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You see, I think when you have to pay for your desired programs and institutions out of your paycheck through payroll taxes it suddenly becomes apparent you're not that interested in those programs and institutions.
True. Now, if we could just get more “taxpayers.”
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:13 pm to MJackson
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this reminded me of a video i saw a while back.
pretty funny short video full video guy in california goes in public asking people to sign petition for free college, and says sign your name, and whatever % of your salary you're willing to give so that college can be free.
My favorite vid was Kaitlin Bennett going out to college campuses and duping the Woke white students into paying her black friend reparations. It was crazy how many handed over money, some even used Venmo.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:13 pm to Landmass
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Secession is feasible.
Maybe. But it can't be on a state by state basis. You have liberal enclaves in red states and conservative enclaves in blue states. Perhaps on a county basis. But you're going to see some serious problems for both sides if you do that.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:19 pm to Bass Tiger
How about a mandatory psych eval for everyone get some more psych wards opened back up
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:22 pm to tjv305
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The things he listed are things both sides want . Splitting up would be the best thing for conservatives. But something like the original post said is better then what we have .I think congress should come up with a certain number of things our taxes can be spent on and we pick which one it goes too. We would see what people really support .
It would take some work but we really could have additional taxes levied on people who want to support things outside of agreed upon expenditures. I guarantee if a person who is for open borders was taxed another 1-2% on their payroll taxes they would not be honest and make that declaration......because they want everyone to pay for these millions of illegals currently in the country.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:27 pm to umrebel2009
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How about a mandatory psych eval for everyone get some more psych wards opened back up
You can thank some of the increase in homeless people to the ACLU, they were instrumental in emptying the state run mental institutions, and a lot politicians caved in and allowed that to happen.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:29 pm to Bass Tiger
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you believe in open borders then there should be an additional tax deduction on your payroll tax, same with student loan forgiveness or free college, that would be another payroll tax deduction, how about NPR? Planned Parenthood?
Progressive left want all of this but they don't actually want to pay for it. That's somebody else's responsibility.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:29 pm to BayouBlitz
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quote:Secession is feasible. Wrong.
Breakup is inevitable. I don’t know when it will happen, but it will happen. Empires decay and fall.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:39 pm to Bass Tiger
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I said there will be things both sides agree on
That’s how it started in the beginning of the nation. Then over time, it slipped away. It will again eventually even if we could find common ground today. It’s an endless cycle, and we can only hope to live in the interim between revolutions. As a side note, I think that’s what MAGA refers to - living in that interim when times seemed stable in retrospect.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:47 pm to Bass Tiger
I just don’t understand how anyone could think that splitting this country up would be a good idea.
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