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Credit Unions & taxes….

Posted on 2/7/23 at 10:11 pm
Posted by Kreg Jennings
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 10:11 pm
All this talk from Biden about his desire to see companies and people who make billions of $$$ pay their “fair share” of income tax has me wondering. Does that desire apply to credit unions? They also make billions of $$$ and pay $0 in taxes.
Posted by Zilla
Member since Jul 2005
10644 posts
Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:08 pm to
how exactly do they "make" money ? There are zero shareholders... it's a pool of money shifted around to benefit each other, the community, and provide lots of local jobs...it's the ultimate organizational model
Posted by Ford Frenzy
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:15 pm to
quote:

how exactly do they "make" money ? There are zero shareholders... it's a pool of money shifted around to benefit each other, the community, and provide lots of local jobs...it's the ultimate organizational model
Every bit of this
Posted by Kreg Jennings
Parts Unknown
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Posted on 2/8/23 at 6:27 am to
On the 990 form they file with the IRS, there is a line that reads “revenue less expenses”. You mean profit?

Just looked one up online and it said they had $2.8 million “revenue less expenses” & didn’t pay a dime in taxes.

I don’t exactly call that paying their fair share.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 2/8/23 at 6:36 am to
Welcome to the tax form for every nonprofit ever.
Lol

You think businesses should pay income taxes on revenue and not profit?
Posted by Wraytex
San Antonio - Gonzales
Member since Jun 2020
3499 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 6:48 am to
Or that we should pay taxes on unrealized gains?
Posted by Twenty 49
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:28 am to
quote:

Does that desire apply to credit unions?


Is this from the talking points memo from the banking lobby?
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2920 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 9:26 am to
Credit Unions disperse profits to the members as dividends. The members then pay income tax on the amount received.

Look into NFL non profit status if you want something to get bothered by.
Posted by bubbz
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
23087 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 7:00 pm to
Seriously, point your anger elsewhere. That income gets dumped into lower rates on loans and higher rates in CDs.
Posted by Kreg Jennings
Parts Unknown
Member since Aug 2007
3914 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:14 pm to
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That income gets dumped into lower rates on loans and higher rates in CDs.


Income? You mean revenue in excess of expenses? Credit unions “don’t make a profit”. Remember?
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 2/9/23 at 3:44 pm to
i was surprised when i got an email from my credit union pushing back against biden, or at least saying they will.
Posted by MikeyFL
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 2/9/23 at 5:18 pm to
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Income? You mean revenue in excess of expenses? Credit unions “don’t make a profit”. Remember?



God you're flipping dense.

Banks enrich shareholders and executives. Credit unions ideally work on thin margins to benefit members.

You want the people working at the credit union to work for free?

This post was edited on 2/9/23 at 5:22 pm
Posted by Im4datigers
Northern Virginia
Member since Oct 2003
4649 posts
Posted on 2/9/23 at 5:45 pm to
What’s funny is that credit unions don’t even pay worth a shite. You think they would being tax free but every time I’m approached by one they are a good 20% off market rate for salary/position. I don’t get it.
Posted by bubbz
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
23087 posts
Posted on 2/9/23 at 7:08 pm to
quote:

Income? You mean revenue in excess of expenses? Credit unions “don’t make a profit”. Remember?



Yes, I mean income. Income that is turned around and dumped into the community, whether it be donations, scholarships, lower loan rates, higher CD rates, etc.

Go look at a credit union call report and educate yourself a little.
Posted by Zilla
Member since Jul 2005
10644 posts
Posted on 2/9/23 at 7:18 pm to
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What’s funny is that credit unions don’t even pay worth a shite. You think they would being tax free but every time I’m approached by one they are a good 20% off market rate for salary/position. I don’t get it.


Well, it's their members' money, they have a responsibility to do more with less. They are a not-for-profit, the benefits of working at a CU usually balance out the lower salaries from the folks I talk to.
Posted by Zilla
Member since Jul 2005
10644 posts
Posted on 2/9/23 at 7:19 pm to
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Income? You mean revenue in excess of expenses? Credit unions “don’t make a profit”. Remember?


Kreg, what do you think happens to all this "profit" ? Where is it going ?
Posted by Im4datigers
Northern Virginia
Member since Oct 2003
4649 posts
Posted on 2/9/23 at 7:44 pm to
quote:

Well, it's their members' money, they have a responsibility to do more with less. They are a not-for-profit, the benefits of working at a CU usually balance out the lower salaries from the folks I talk to.


I get it but here’s the issue - prior to 10 years ago CU’s weren’t doing business lending or commercial real estate lending. It was all car loans and mortgages.

Now you’re seeing CU’s band together doing $10mm plus real estate deals. Most don’t have the expertise to be sniffing these kind of deals as they just don’t have the talent under their roof’s. They try hiring said talent to do this type of stuff but they won’t pay so they can’t attract the right people. Very general statement btw.

What I’m interested to see is what happens during a CRE correction. CU’s didn’t start doing CRE deals until after the 08-10 crash so they’ve been riding the tide for all this time now without a correction to expose their weaker underwriting skills. I’ve competed against CU’s on some deals and I just scratch my head wondering who in the hell would ever consider approving the structure they were putting out there. Some of it was just insane.
Posted by Penn
Jax Beach
Member since Jan 2008
23643 posts
Posted on 2/9/23 at 8:10 pm to
Generally a good point

However CUs are using companies and tech to help them in the commercial sector that is on par with what traditionals use.
Posted by Zilla
Member since Jul 2005
10644 posts
Posted on 2/9/23 at 9:46 pm to
Great reply, I'm going to seek some colleagues opinions on that point. Only thing I will add is I'm actually seeing a trend of CUs paying real market value for folks now as the CU grows and has more Kreg profits. :)

Starting to catch up to the big banks since the model is better....
This post was edited on 2/9/23 at 9:47 pm
Posted by schexyoung
Deaf Valley
Member since May 2008
6674 posts
Posted on 2/9/23 at 9:54 pm to
The NCUA has strict limits on commercial lending for CUs. I believe it’s either 12.5% of total assets or 1.75X networth (CFR, title 12, chapter 7, Sec 730). So their commercial books (C&I, CRE, ADC) are never going to compete with banks.

The biggest break CUs get besides the obvious no income tax is they don’t have to deal with CRA. Huge cost saving on the compliance side.
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