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Hawaii’s proposed green fee
Posted on 2/7/23 at 7:58 am
Posted on 2/7/23 at 7:58 am
I wish we could kick Hawaii to the curb and let them survive as a country.
I don’t have a problem with a green fee but the arrogant attitude of those assholes runs me wrong.
They only survive because of tourists.
The last sentence of the article does it for me.
Some parts of the article:
“Hawaii's majestic and natural wonders have long drawn tourists to its wondrous waters. The allure of the islands, however, has also sparked an increase in overtourism and locals are fighting to safeguard Hawaii’s natural beauties.
One of the ways that state leaders are looking to safeguard the natural resources is by imposing a “green fee.” The visitor-impact fee would be about $40 or $50 in order to raise revenues to protect Hawaii’s lands. A $50 fee on tourists upon entry would raise $500-600 million dollars per year.
Hawaii Senate President Ron Kouchi explained, “Our residents have been clear. Visitors should be paying for their impact on our natural resources.”
I don’t have a problem with a green fee but the arrogant attitude of those assholes runs me wrong.
They only survive because of tourists.
The last sentence of the article does it for me.
Some parts of the article:
“Hawaii's majestic and natural wonders have long drawn tourists to its wondrous waters. The allure of the islands, however, has also sparked an increase in overtourism and locals are fighting to safeguard Hawaii’s natural beauties.
One of the ways that state leaders are looking to safeguard the natural resources is by imposing a “green fee.” The visitor-impact fee would be about $40 or $50 in order to raise revenues to protect Hawaii’s lands. A $50 fee on tourists upon entry would raise $500-600 million dollars per year.
Hawaii Senate President Ron Kouchi explained, “Our residents have been clear. Visitors should be paying for their impact on our natural resources.”
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:05 am to Tigertown in ATL
On its face what they suggest is unconstitutional. You can't charge a US citizen a fee just to step foot in your state. While Hawaii does rely on tourism it does create a lot of problems for the residents all for the enjoyment of tourists.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:35 am to Tigertown in ATL
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They only survive because of tourists.
They were doing just fine until European and American explorers got there and just about decimated the local population with disease. I get that it's become what it is due to tourism, but when you have an influx of people go there every year that are not from there, it will eventually have an effect on its natural resources.
I don't see the big deal. If you can afford to go there, you can surely afford an extra $40-50 to help them protect their very finite space and resources.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 12:55 pm to CharlieTiger
The issue with Hawaii is the natives are lazy as frick and its expensive as hell to get everything there given its on an island in the middle of the Pacific. So they are constantly in financial problems.
Governments don't understand visitors have limited budgets. Sure $50 each isn't a ton, but everyone has a budget to some degree and if you charge a family of 4 $200 just to step off the plane then they ultimately are more likely to spend less money elsewhere. One less dinner out, one less paid activity, etc. You are taking that money away from the population and giving it to the government directly to figure out how to spend poorly.
Governments don't understand visitors have limited budgets. Sure $50 each isn't a ton, but everyone has a budget to some degree and if you charge a family of 4 $200 just to step off the plane then they ultimately are more likely to spend less money elsewhere. One less dinner out, one less paid activity, etc. You are taking that money away from the population and giving it to the government directly to figure out how to spend poorly.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 1:02 pm to baldona
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expensive as hell to get everything there given its on an island in the middle of the Pacific.
They should comprise. Waive the $50 fee if you bring a can of peas or a tomato.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 1:33 pm to CharlieTiger
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don't see the big deal. If you can afford to go there, you can surely afford an extra $40-50 to help them protect their very finite space and resources.
Totally agree.
If the attitude was one of “help us keep this paradise great!” I’d be all in.
The “visitors should be paying for their impact on our resources” that bugs me.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 2:58 pm to CharlieTiger
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They were doing just fine until European and American explorers got there and just about decimated the local population
Pretty sure Ron Kouchi’s ancestors weren’t in Hawaii yet when the Europeans and Americans showed up. I’d say that applies to the majority of current Hawaiian residents.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 4:57 pm to baldona
If you can go to Hawaii you can afford an extra couple 100$ added to your room spread out over each day. A US state cannot charge citizens of another state to just to visit. Hawaii has limited space limited resources and limited housing, it’s easy to see why they don’t love a fire hose of tourist at all times of the year.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 5:13 pm to CharlieTiger
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don't see the big deal. If you can afford to go there, you can surely afford an extra $40-50 to help them protect their very finite space and resources.
If only you could be sure that was where the money is going
Posted on 2/7/23 at 5:23 pm to Tigertown in ATL
$50 fee to each "vistor" won't work. That said...there is an extra tax on every hotel room (and airbnbs/vrbo now) in cities that draw a lot of tourists. A lot of that money goes to BS tourism stuff, if this is that important, they should increase/redirect those revenues.
And while we have nice folks on TB, the majority of tourists in many places are a-holes who leave the place in worse shape than when they got there.
And while we have nice folks on TB, the majority of tourists in many places are a-holes who leave the place in worse shape than when they got there.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 5:41 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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Totally agree.
If the attitude was one of “help us keep this paradise great!” I’d be all in
The Hawaii Department of Land and Natural resources is budgeted to spend $161,000,000 in FY23. Of this, they are spending the following:
36% Environmental Protection
30% Culture and Rec
15% "Government-wide support"
13% Economic Development
4% Individual rights (That's $8mil)
2% public safety.
First of eight listed roles:
quote:
• Implement programs to conserve, protect, develop
and utilize the State’s natural and cultural resources.
The bureau of Land and Natural Resources, responsible for environment protection, has been allocated 0.7% of the budget of the state of Hawai'i.
Maybe if they care so much, they could take a few million from the "Budget and Finance" department, which is 39.7% of the state budget.
There's always money around, it just depends on how you choose to prioritize spending. Hawai'i clearly doesn't care all that much about their paradise.
ETA: Official source Statewide summary, PDF warning.
This post was edited on 2/7/23 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 2/7/23 at 6:34 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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A $50 fee on tourists upon entry would raise $500-600 million dollars per year.
I’d like to read the full article. What is considered a tourist? Anyone without a Hawaiian ID?
Why not just increase taxes on services they considers to be “tourist”
Posted on 2/7/23 at 8:12 pm to kciDAtaE
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I’d like to read the full article
It came from Navigator I think?
Posted on 2/8/23 at 11:11 am to kciDAtaE
lol
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