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Is Joey Votto a Hall of Famer?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:13 pm
I’m kind of on the fence. It doesn’t help that he played for the Reds his whole career. If he had been a Yankee or a Dodger I think he gets in.
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:13 pm to Undertow
yes
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:17 pm to Undertow
One of my friends works with his cousin or something and told him it's well known around the league that Votto is a f*g. Didn't believe it, googled it, and rumors were dating back to 2009.
Eta: look it up
Eta: look it up
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:17 pm to Undertow
Yes
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:27 pm to Tunica
quote:damn. changing my vote to no
it's well known around the league that Votto is a f*g
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:27 pm to L1C4
He will get in, but he’s not a HOFer for me. You can’t walk your way to the HOF.
His counting stats present a pretty poor case at 2093 hits, 342 hr, 1106 rbi, all in an offensive era.
A .297 career BA with those numbers isn’t eye popping.
His career .ops of .926 is great and built on the back of an outstanding .412 obp. He led the league in obp 7 different times, in large part by leading the league in walks 5 different teams.
But when you are the best hitter on a bad team sometimes you got to swing the bat and drive in runs. I don’t think you get to walk your way to cooperstown.
His counting stats present a pretty poor case at 2093 hits, 342 hr, 1106 rbi, all in an offensive era.
A .297 career BA with those numbers isn’t eye popping.
His career .ops of .926 is great and built on the back of an outstanding .412 obp. He led the league in obp 7 different times, in large part by leading the league in walks 5 different teams.
But when you are the best hitter on a bad team sometimes you got to swing the bat and drive in runs. I don’t think you get to walk your way to cooperstown.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:44 pm to Undertow
Albert Belle first
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:47 pm to Undertow
no
the Hall of really good, he get my vote
the Hall of really good, he get my vote
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:48 pm to ned nederlander
I don't think so. Here are some other guys similar that aren't in.
Will Clark- Better career avg, RBI, hits, runs, and had 1 more 30 HR season than Votto.
Todd Helton- Blows Votto away in most categories- Avg, HR, RBI, SB, hits.
He has a very similar stat line to Olerud, and I never thought, "I'm watching a HOFer when I watched them".
Will Clark- Better career avg, RBI, hits, runs, and had 1 more 30 HR season than Votto.
Todd Helton- Blows Votto away in most categories- Avg, HR, RBI, SB, hits.
He has a very similar stat line to Olerud, and I never thought, "I'm watching a HOFer when I watched them".
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:59 pm to dallastiger55
quote:
Todd Helton- Blows Votto away in most categories- Avg, HR, RBI, SB, hits.
Todd Helton likely gets in this year or next. I don't think Votto does, but he's about as close to the line as you can get.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:13 pm to Tunica
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f*g
Do people really still use this word unironically?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:16 pm to sorantable
He’s Hall of Pretty Good.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:31 pm to HangmanPage1
I think he does get in. He’s probably going to play 3 more years too.
He comps up to Larry Walker who finally got in.
He comps up to Larry Walker who finally got in.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:35 pm to WestCoastAg
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damn. changing my vote to no
While trying to get his number
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:09 pm to dallastiger55
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Todd Helton- Blows Votto away in most categories- Avg, HR, RBI, SB, hits.
Helton will get in this year or next.
Helton was also a three time Gold Glover.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:18 pm to Undertow
quote:
Is Joey Votto a Hall of Famer?
yes, now allow me to destroy all the shitty 1950 takes on this thread one by one.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:03 pm to Undertow
I don't know that i view him as a first ballot guy. That said, he has a top 50 career ops. Better than pujols and miggy
Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:06 pm to Undertow
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Is Joey Votto a Hall of Famer?
In the grand historical view of baseball
Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:29 pm to ned nederlander
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You can’t walk your way to the HOF.
you can, want to know why?
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His counting stats present a pretty poor case at 2093 hits, 342 hr, 1106 rbi, all in an offensive era.
2100 hits are good, not great, but he's not a longevity play and his BA is .297
342 HR isn't tremendous, but he's top 30 all time for 1B, so no slouch.
1106 RBI's, well that is dependent on his lineups and no good player in the last 20 years has had as many shite lineups. Here is where things get interesting. I hear this shite argument He DoEsN't SwInG wItH gUyS oN bAsE.
e.g.
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But when you are the best hitter on a bad team sometimes you got to swing the bat and drive in runs. I don’t think you get to walk your way to cooperstown.
Votto's career slash line with RISP is .322/.471/.569
His career slugging with RISP is 16th ALL TIME. Higher than Mantle, Musial, Mays, Griffey, Miggy, Arod and on and on.
Want to know how great a hitter is? How often is he getting walked with RISP? Here is the career top 5 all-time BB/PA with RISP.
1) Barry Bonds
2) Ted Williams
3) Babe Ruth
4) Mickey Mantle
5) Joey fricking Votto
OPS with RISP? 10th all-time.
He played on some straight-up shitty teams killing his Runs and RBI totals.
So when men are on base, he's one of the greatest hitters of all time (driving in runs)
And as far as getting on base, he's one of the greatest hitters of all time (scoring runs)
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His career .ops of .926 is great and built on the back of an outstanding .412 obp. He led the league in obp 7 different times, in large part by leading the league in walks 5 different teams.
This may be the dumbest sentence ever constructed in relation to baseball stats. It's called on base PLUS slugging for a reason. On base counts.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:43 pm to dallastiger55
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Will Clark- Better career avg, RBI, hits, runs, and had 1 more 30 HR season than Votto.
counting stats
Votto has better OPS and Slugging and a 145 OPS+ vs Clarks 137 OPS+
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Todd Helton- Blows Votto away in most categories- Avg, HR, RBI, SB, hits.
slashed .287/.386/.469 on the road when not in that joke of a field called coors. Votto hit 10 more road HR's than Helton is 300 fewer PA. Next.
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He has a very similar stat line to Olerud, and I never thought, "I'm watching a HOFer when I watched them".
129 OPS+ for Olerud and 145+ for Votto. 100 more HR in less PA.
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