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Pels are 3-7 in their last 10

Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:52 am
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
123949 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:52 am
Our guys put up a valiant effort, and our depth has kept us in a lot of games, but you just cannot win without your two best players, and without 3 of your best 5.

I understand the big picture and wanting to be healthy for the stretch run, but with how crazy tight the West is, we are starting to approach "every win matters" territory.

I think they thought they had the luxury of slow-rolling BI and Zion's injuries because they were still winning. They aren't anymore.

If we continue to be well below .500 in these next few games, they've got to do what they can to get these guys on the court. The absolute rabid excitement that was in the city pre-injury has pretty much evaporated for the time being.

It isn't panic time. Once those guys play we will win more games than we lose. But they need to play, soon.

I don't think they can wait until after the All-Star Break for both.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112430 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:54 am to
I talked about this in another thread but probably more relevant here, so I'll just copy/paste it...

You could probably argue this about every upcoming stretch, but I do think the stretch that probably has already started up until we get 1 or both of our guys back will be the most important stretch of the season.

We're not handling it well at all(not due to lack of effort, just outmanned), not that it's terribly surprising but we're losing at a pretty alarming rate.

If we don't get 1 guy back for 2 or more weeks, and we keep playing the same, it may be too late by the time both guys return. We'll be flirting with .500 unless we start playing better or get a guy back. By that time, it may just be too late to do any real contending.

This is a title contending team when healthy, and that's how the season should be judged. Doesn't mean anything less than a title is failure, but we need to contend in a legit manner for this to be a success.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 8:55 am
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
42032 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:54 am to
Gonna find ourselves in the playin real quick. The West is very very shallow.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62442 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:56 am to
I feel bad for all of the Pels fans clinging to "We're the 3rd seed, everything's fine."

What this does show is you probably do need a significant trade. I think it makes a Bogdonavic or OG level trade a lot more likely rather than something smaller.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
123949 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:56 am to
First, Herb has got to get back on the court from a fricking bruise.

His defense should give us at least a better chance in most games.

They've got to try and hover at .500 (from here on out, not overall) until 1 or both are back.

If they keep at the 3-7 clip we are in trouble.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
123949 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:57 am to
The one thing this tells me is that we don't need to make a trade for OG

Great player, but:

A) The cost for him would be INSANE and I just do not want to give guys like Dyson up

and

B) His skillset is sort of the opposite of what we need. We need SHOOTERS. We need 3 point making ability. We just cannot contend until we increase that
Posted by ghost2most
Member since Mar 2012
7507 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:08 am to
We just have too many redundant players imo.

It’s not an issue so much when we’re healthy but we’re never healthy so…

It’s just really hard. Herb is your best defender. Dyson has the most upside. Naji is dirt cheap. Jose is really your energizer.

Nance being hurt is low key killing us too.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62442 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:10 am to
I think both OG and Trent Jr. make zero sense for the Pels because of long term money you'd have to give them. But I do think the Pels probably feel they need some more injury insurance like what Jonas gives them which is why I think they go bigger rather than smaller in a trade.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112430 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:17 am to
quote:

I think both OG and Trent Jr. make zero sense for the Pels because of long term money you'd have to give them.
Agree that they're not the best fit. Beasley and Bojan fit much better in totality
Posted by Balsamic_duck
Member since Jun 2017
3902 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:22 am to
Our problem last night was offense. CJ was the only guy that could create his own shot. OG and Trent dont solve that.
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
29425 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:24 am to
I’ve come to the conclusion that we are snake bitten as a franchise. Our star players are always injured. It is nuts. AD always hurt, we trade for Boogie - he dies, BI is fragile, Zion is a stud but is in street clothes more than a uniform. Do we need to do some sort of voodoo shite on the arena? It was obviously built on some burial grounds.
Posted by AlabamasSalaryCap
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2012
2830 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:31 am to
It's not every game matters territory. We're not even at the all star break yet. Considering that we know how mediocre we are without BI and Zion, the most important thing is not rushing them back too soon.

They need to be 100% post all-star break for a final push. And imo we should probably consider load balancing once we know our general playoff seeding.
Posted by ghost2most
Member since Mar 2012
7507 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:33 am to
If you want more depression fuel, I thought Zion looked huge in that goofy getup he was wearing
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112430 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:37 am to
quote:

It's not every game matters territory. We're not even at the all star break yet. Considering that we know how mediocre we are without BI and Zion, the most important thing is not rushing them back too soon.
Maybe that works. Also maybe, maybe we slip too far to get back up to a 3 seed by the time they're both healthy, and any talks of legit title contention die with it.

quote:

And imo we should probably consider load balancing once we know our general playoff seeding.
Lots of games left but it's not always a guarantee until the final couple of games of the season to lock into a seed
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
12034 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:47 am to
I always thought we could sustain as long as we have 1 of BI or Zion on the floor for the entire year. This team can not afford to lose both guys at the same time for an extended period. We are basically seeing one of the worst case scenarios play out. We did fine for a short period but teams have enough tape on this group to exploit the flaws. We are in a very vulnerable position right now waiting for BI to come back.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
38442 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:47 am to
quote:

The absolute rabid excitement that was in the city pre-injury has pretty much evaporated for the time being.


This is why I never jump in on the "New Orleans is a basketball city" stuff Pels fans on Twitter love to talk about.

You're a basketball city when you really support the team when they are losing. This city has never really shown that it has done that. When they are killing it or in the playoffs? Sure, but any fan base will do that.
Posted by ghost2most
Member since Mar 2012
7507 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:48 am to
Hard to get rabid when your best players are made of glass
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
38442 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:54 am to
quote:

Our problem last night was offense. CJ was the only guy that could create his own shot. OG and Trent dont solve that.


We gave up 70 points in the first half last night against one of the worst offenses in the league. Defense is more of an issue that offense for this team. I think it's be a mistake if you made a trade and gave up decent assets to get just a scorer. When healthy (just trying to be an optimist), you're offense is more than capable. When healthy, your defense still needs help.
Posted by Solo
Member since Aug 2008
8256 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:58 am to
Long season and there will be ups and downs. Obviously, this is a down swing. Should get the dub on Friday. Hopefully we get Herb back, that will help tremendously. We are about 10 days away from getting Zion back...that is critical. No idea re BI, but hoping sooner than that

I'm firmly in the no-trade camp, especially since the Lakers are one LeGM ankle turn from complete implosion. Dyson instead of Duren is the only move that even kind of bums me out, but I think that in a year or two Dyson will be super helpful for us.

ETA: Stay the course, Sons.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 9:59 am
Posted by AlabamasSalaryCap
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2012
2830 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:58 am to
quote:

Maybe that works. Also maybe, maybe we slip too far to get back up to a 3 seed by the time they're both healthy, and any talks of legit title contention die with it.


I don't think a 3 seed matters if we're too banged up when we get there. We already know that this team can beat anyone in a 7-game when healthy. I don't really care where we're seeded.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 9:59 am
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