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re: Aren't all these Republican doomsdayers just proving our point?
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:37 am to GeauxTigerTM
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:37 am to GeauxTigerTM
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and this place is some outlier.
I have never said this board is an outlier, and my comment doesn't insinuate or imply there aren't left-echo chambers. Hell I called Reddit one long before MAGA/Patriots even existed to repeat the meme. It's why I fought so hard to make up/down votes worthless on here, b/c that is the fastest way to ensure echo chambers.
I've also said, quite plainly, for months that my biggest concern is partisan polarity on both sides. Echo chambers and internet-based information loops are the primary tools being used by those seeking power on both sides to rile up the base and create more polarity. The ultimate goal is authoritarianism. I don't care which pole wins that war because it will be shite either way.
It's why I laugh when people use whataboutism in response to me, which is the common meme. What Lefitst-extremists are on this board for me to even address?
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 7:39 am
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:40 am to Bass Tiger
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Yet the insane Groomer agenda continues to move forward
In Congress?
Or in localities that become amplified by coordinated media outlets?
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I have to assume the majority of Dims are ok with the insanity or the Groomer agenda would stall.
Well you've had to define the "Groomer agenda" superficially, but then also show data on this point.
Yes, it's popular in urban areas. You know who doesn't live in urban areas? Non-leftists. You're just arguing that areas you already don't agree with are...acting in ways you don't agree with. It's just being amplified to you based on your selected content and friend group.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
:PretzelMeme:
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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Because the policy preferences of the population of America falls within that overlap
Is it though? I'm a guy that before the last few years would have been firmly Center Right, but definitely much more moderate than many here. I'd agree that a large portion of the country falls in-between the furthest ends of the spectrum.
I'm arguing that at this point there are far more people outside of that middle than there used to be, for whatever reason. By now, it may be a Third Right Wing, Third Center and Third Left Wing. It's false to suggest either end represent a "fringe" now. Those people are largely being ignored on The Right, whereas they have essentially taken hold of the Dem party. So when "deals" are made, it's between moderate Republicans and far left Dems. This is what has consistently shifted the Overton window Leftward, not necessarily because it's what "we" want. And every time it happens, The Right stands there wondering WTF just happened and why their elected officials no longer represent them.
Hell...take our own Bill Cassidy as an example. In no way is he representing the will of this people of this state that elected him. He did not run on any of the things he's recently done, and had he he'd have not won his last race. To suggest he's representing the current will of his constituents is wrong, and I'd suggest that goes for many current elected officials.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:43 am to AlxTgr
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The "GOP and Democrats are the same" meme is one of the dumbest thing ever repeated on this board
It's up there.
Though it is true in the sense that they are almost all criminals, stealing from the citizens to enrich themselves.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:43 am to GeauxTigerTM
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all other places are virtuous and consist of well balanced and nuanced discussion and this place is some outlier.
I’ll refer back to noted Trump-tard and raging conservative Glen Greenwald.
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They're just too thoughtful, too intellectually feisty to be controlled. They're guided by science and the values of the Enlightenment. They're profoundly individualistic and can't be herded or controlled.
There’s a pretty good amount of disagreement concerning the 20 on “this board”. A true echo chamber is DU; this place just has a hard lean.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:43 am to SlowFlowPro
Are you trying to set a DV record or something, because every post gets a flood of them, and they should.
McCarthy is the poster boy for RINOS. He votes with Dems nearly 50% of the time.
I'll bet there isn't 1 Democrat that votes even 20% of the time with the GOP.
If the Dems weren't full-blown leftist, anti-American scum, then it wouldn't be much of a problem. Their policies, though, hurt this country, so it is a problem.
The only thing that bothers me is that there are only 20 in the GOP willing to fight the status quo.
McCarthy is the poster boy for RINOS. He votes with Dems nearly 50% of the time.
I'll bet there isn't 1 Democrat that votes even 20% of the time with the GOP.
If the Dems weren't full-blown leftist, anti-American scum, then it wouldn't be much of a problem. Their policies, though, hurt this country, so it is a problem.
The only thing that bothers me is that there are only 20 in the GOP willing to fight the status quo.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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Because the policy preferences of the population of America falls within that overlap
So is poll data false?
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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Mich McConnell molded the USSC into a 6-3 conservative edge. He did this by hook and by crook and by violating norms and at a lot of cost.
Some could argue that the new justices are not as conservative as people think. Roe was over turned, but abortion was not outlawed like the MSM and Democrats want the masses to think. All that was done was leave it for the states to decide their own abortion laws. I will agree that SCOTUS appears conservative and it's the only difference.
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Romney is pro-business and trade, but I imagine this will create problems
Romney is pro BIG business and trade so are the Democrats.
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One of the main issues in this discussion is that I predict that a lot of traditional (as in, 40+ years) GOP views are now seen poorly b/c of Trump's right-populism and his Leftist economic policies, and you will pretend THAT is the REAL GOP policy (even though it really never has been)
You don't know me at all. Trump is not a representative of the past 40 years. Trump spent way too much money and is, in some ways, a less fiscally Conservative JFK.
Thanks fo answering by the way even though you really couldn't give great examples.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:46 am to Powerman
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I suppose what is interesting about it is this is a group of self selecting participants in discussion that you might expect to be more balanced since it isn't "organized" or being "controlled" by some broadcasting group or outside influence.
The fact that it is such an echo chamber seems rather odd even though we know LSU fans are for the most part fairly "conservative"
I see it as opposite. Given the near complete capture of Legacy Media, education, entertainment, sports, etc by The Left, it makes perfect sense that there would be pockets of dissident thought that pops up in places. Much like Leftists media created Rush Limbaugh, so to did it create this place. If there was actual balanced reporting and far less institutional capture by one political ideology, this place would be completely unneeded.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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What Lefitst-extremists are on this board for me to even address?
Are you implying there are none, or that you'd argue that they're not actually extreme Left if we made a list?
If it's the first, you're lying...if it's the second, it simply proves my point of the shift in the window.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:49 am to GeauxTigerTM
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I see it as opposite. Given the near complete capture of Legacy Media, education, entertainment, sports, etc by The Left, it makes perfect sense that there would be pockets of dissident thought that pops up in places. Much like Leftists media created Rush Limbaugh, so to did it create this place. If there was actual balanced reporting and far less institutional capture by one political ideology, this place would be completely unneeded.
Spot
fricking
On
But they’ll never admit it.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:51 am to PsychTiger
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Though it is true in the sense that they are almost all criminals, stealing from the citizens to enrich themselves.
Well yeah.
They're also all narcissistic sociopaths
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
You are the biggest lying sack of shite on this board. You bleeding out all over this board for the last week has been something to see.
I have yet to see you back anything up with voting records actual comments or anything of merit for that matter.
I guess congrats on typing the most meaningless BS on here.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:52 am to ItNeverRains
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So is poll data false?
Well 2016, 2018, and 2020 showed there are issues , but what specific poll data are you referring to?
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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they also don't want full abortion regulation and Evangelical social conservatism
I’m sorry, I missed the part where the 20 holdouts brought that up.
Can you link?
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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No, but that's how it's being framed by the coordinated outlets that you (and those in your echo chamber) follow. It's what they call a self fulfilling prophecy. The 20 have framed this to produce just the thought experiment in your head. It's all they have because they are such a small minority they have no real power. The "GOP and Democrats are the same" meme is one of the dumbest thing ever repeated on this board. It's something that only people who shelter themselves and don't ever actually engage with any Leftists would believe. The danger of following this stupidity is that you ARE going to allow Leftism more power and more power quickly. Of course, radicals will just spin this within the same meme and the useful idiots will eat it up.
Well said.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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Well 2016, 2018, and 2020 showed there are issues , but what specific poll data are you referring to?
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Because the policy preferences of the population of America falls within that overlap.
If Congress is acting on behalf of the American people, and those overlaps in policy between the parties are due to the overwhelming stances of the American people, then the majority would suggest overall America is on the right track and acting in their best interest. Poll data should confirm this.
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 8:01 am
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:59 am to Powerman
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The fact that you had to cherry pick 3 people might be a good example of them not being the same
I could have used more like Snow, Cassidy, and Cheney. I could go on but I am pressed for time. I have to go work unlike you and your progressive brethren.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:59 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Hell...take our own Bill Cassidy as an example. In no way is he representing the will of this people of this state that elected him. He did not run on any of the things he's recently done, and had he he'd have not won his last race. To suggest he's representing the current will of his constituents is wrong, and I'd suggest that goes for many current elected officials.
This goes into the difference in campaigning, shite-talking (which is often discrete campaigning), and governing. I discussed this at length yesterday. It's real easy to talk shite and use puffery when it's just words, but when you have to actually get down to governing and getting large groups of people behind your policies, that's a completely different paradigm.
That reality has been spun into "they're not fighting for us" meme, often by using non-traditional definitions of "what the GOP stands for"
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