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Gas Power Saves Texas from Blackouts, As Wind Power Collapses Again!
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:13 am
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:13 am
Again.
Without government (i.e., taxpayer) subsidies (direct, indirect, and regulatory), there would be no industrial-scale wind and PV farms. This tells you all you need to know about “renewables.”
The bribes and subsidies that politicians and industry leaders receive from the "renewables" lobbyists must be huge, because the coming political pain for the sell-outs most certainly will be.
I'm all for renewables, but we're not ready for carbon-free electricity.
Watts Up With That
Without government (i.e., taxpayer) subsidies (direct, indirect, and regulatory), there would be no industrial-scale wind and PV farms. This tells you all you need to know about “renewables.”
The bribes and subsidies that politicians and industry leaders receive from the "renewables" lobbyists must be huge, because the coming political pain for the sell-outs most certainly will be.
I'm all for renewables, but we're not ready for carbon-free electricity.
Watts Up With That
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The Electric Reliability Council of Texas, whose service area includes 90% of electric customers in Texas, requested the emergency order Friday, warning it may need to resort to blackouts. TRANSLATION – fire up more coal and gas plants!
Fortunately a repetition of the blackouts last year was avoided. But as we can see, it was gas power which came to the rescue, as wind power collapsed to virtually nothing at the same time as demand surged...
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Texas has 35 GW of wind capacity, but output was running below 5 GW throughout Saturday, and down to 2 GW for much of the day. This certainly was not due to lack of wind, quite the opposite in fact. Whether wind power collapsed because of the winds being too strong, or because of freezing up, I do not know. But either way it was a weather related issue.
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Joe Biden still wants carbon-free electricity by 2035. How many millions of Americans will freeze to death if he gets his way?
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:20 am to Perfect Circle
Raisin brain will be reduced to carbon by 2035 so there’s that.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:22 am to Perfect Circle
Wind power can still be useful when the weather is good.
We should have more nuclear however imo.
We should have more nuclear however imo.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:23 am to Perfect Circle
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carbon-free electricity
The only type that can meet the need is nuclear.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:29 am to jclem11
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Wind power can still be useful when the weather is good.
Then there is no savings for the utility that has to keep gas and coal fired plants at the ready, all while being forced to buy the wind power from the grid.
You can’t “save up” the wind power during good weather to use later (and battery systems that are capable of that are a fantasy).
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We should have more nuclear however imo.
Agreed. But our government has basically made regulations so cumbersome it is very difficult to build new plants.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:31 am to TrueTiger
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The only type that can meet the need is nuclear.
I laugh in the face of anyone who moans about 'clean energy' without emphasizing nuclear.
All the other wind/solar 'solutions' are fine for niche applications - for wholesale economic sustainability - nope.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:35 am to Perfect Circle
Wind power collapses just like the fallacy that it's predicated on.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:35 am to AndyCBR
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Agreed. But our government has basically made regulations so cumbersome it is very difficult to build new plants.
The regulations aren't the issue, it's finding a place to get one started where the NIMBYs won't burying the project in litigation. The economics for a nuclear plants are favorable, even with the regulations until you saddle it with a couple millions in predevelopment legal expenses.
That seems like it will change with the new nuclear PTC and bring in some bigger investors that can stomach the fight.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 9:25 am to AndyCBR
There is no keeping coal fired on standby. The are tearing them down. It also takes hours if not days to power up coal fired generation. Gas is quick.
I suggest investing in a chain saw and stockpiling firewood if you can. These bozos are not above killing people to get their way and their cut.
I suggest investing in a chain saw and stockpiling firewood if you can. These bozos are not above killing people to get their way and their cut.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 9:47 am to Perfect Circle
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carbon-free electricity
There is no such thing.
It's just another feel-good catch phrase invented by the water-melon loonies.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 10:25 am to Reubaltaich
Which dipshit LA legislators got the off-shore wind farm coming to right off the coast?
This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 10:26 am
Posted on 12/27/22 at 11:11 am to AndyCBR
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Agreed. But our government has basically made regulations so cumbersome it is very difficult to build new plants.
Trillions of dollars wasted during Covid, another $1.5 trillion just passed and all it would take to finish the shuttered construction in South Carolina is a few billion
We send more to Ukraine in one payment than it would take to fully pay for the S.C. and GA nuke plants
Posted on 12/27/22 at 11:59 am to Hurricane Mike
I have solar panels on my shop, installed them 8 years or so back - not out of any delusions of saving the planet or being green, but rather out of a desire to stick it to the man - who steals so much of my income every year with all of these fricking taxes.
They were subsidized 75% between the feds and the state of Louisiana and I got like $21k back on my taxes the following year, my cost was like $7k.
$28K total for 21 panels and my monthly savings on my electric bill averages $55 / month.
I’ll be in the profit zone in just a couple more years due to the subsidies.
Without any subsidy, I’d be waiting another 34 years (42 years total) for it to pay off.
They were subsidized 75% between the feds and the state of Louisiana and I got like $21k back on my taxes the following year, my cost was like $7k.
$28K total for 21 panels and my monthly savings on my electric bill averages $55 / month.
I’ll be in the profit zone in just a couple more years due to the subsidies.
Without any subsidy, I’d be waiting another 34 years (42 years total) for it to pay off.
This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 12/27/22 at 12:11 pm to TrueTiger
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The only type that can meet the need is nuclear.
Natural Gas. My dad has 3 wells capped on his property right now.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 12:11 pm to ChineseBandit58
Bandit: I am with you. I politely say that I really don’t see any prospects for meaningful discussion if my “green” friends are not open to significant reliance on nuclear energy. If AGW is anywhere near the existential threat it’s claimed to be, it’s nonsensical for carbon-free nuclear to be declining.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 12:25 pm to ChineseBandit58
Yep, and solar basically 0%. Any energy created from wind probably went back into the wind mills (greenies call them turbines) to keep them from freezing, along with a good share of some natural gas.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 12:26 pm to Perfect Circle
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Joe Biden still wants carbon-free electricity by 2035
Who give a flying frick what this guy wants?
Posted on 12/27/22 at 12:37 pm to Perfect Circle
Garbage article, from a garbage site...natty struggled again as we weren't prepared for the freeze and had the same compressor and pipeline issues as last time. Overall not as bad as 2021 across the board, but the energy demand was higher...pop growth.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 1:20 pm to easyas123
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Natural Gas. My dad has 3 wells capped on his property right now.
but it's not carbon free
Posted on 12/27/22 at 1:31 pm to Perfect Circle
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Yep, and solar basically 0%. Any energy created from wind probably went back into the wind mills (greenies call them turbines) to keep them from freezing, along with a good share of some natural gas.
What? That solar intermittence is perfectly predictable and part of the modeling thats submitted for interconnection. If you'll notice, PV had one down day most likely from cloud cover, then went higher due to clear skies and increased module efficiency even when the temps stayed cold.
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