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re: Mom: School Social Groomer Facilitates “Transition” Of 13 Y.O. Without Her Knowledge….
Posted on 12/17/22 at 5:57 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 12/17/22 at 5:57 pm to FooManChoo
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I'm not the one appealing to a chemical response (empathy) as a justification for morality in society.
Your entire belief system is based on fear.
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. I noticed you didn't have anything to say about empathy being an arbitrary standard, or that some people don't feel it, or that there are some immoral things done with empathy as the justification. Are you going to respond to any of that, or are you just going to take your frustration out on something you don't believe in?
Empathy might be an imperfect standard but it's better than your cowardice. You claim murder, rape, and genocide are righteous acts when endorsed by the correct fictional character. Empathy tells me those things are objectively evil. So try again mighty mouse.
Numbers 31 17-18
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Are you too much of a coward to admit that this is objectively evil?
This post was edited on 12/17/22 at 6:12 pm
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Posted on 12/17/22 at 6:22 pm to shinerfan
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So your fear of God is all that keeps you from mutilating children?
Foo believes that without the Christian God he'd be unable to navigate ethics and morals and wouldn't know whether or not child abuse is good or bad.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 6:25 pm to FooManChoo
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Makes sense. They don’t fear God so why wouldn’t they do as they please?
You're like the edgy atheists who can't stop shitting on everyone elses religious beliefs.
If I see you post in a thread, there's an 80-90% chance you're going to shove your very specific religious beliefs into the conversation.
If the topic is religion, then of course its free game. But why try and derail this thread? Do you think your on the nose posts help bring people closer to your specific belief system?
Posted on 12/17/22 at 6:32 pm to Toomer Deplorable
These deviants view themselves as the heroes by helping transition these kids under the parents noses
They deserve a place in the deepest pits of hell
They deserve a place in the deepest pits of hell
Posted on 12/17/22 at 6:34 pm to BurntOrangeMan
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I’d call on my attorneys Smith & Wesson & resolve this issue.
Not guilty
Posted on 12/17/22 at 7:14 pm to shinerfan
quote:Not at all. My belief system is based on love, not fear. God has shown His love to sinners by sending His only son to die to take away our sin. Our response to Him should be love, and it should manifest in obedience to Him and loving kindness towards our neighbor.
Your entire belief system is based on fear.
The Christian has nothing to fear at all. It's why Christian missionaries have historically been the ones to enter war zones and places of disease to share the gospel, because there is no fear of death.
quote:How do you even know what is "better" or "worse" when you have no objective standard to judge by? You don't have an objective standard to use, and your worldview precludes the very idea. You have nothing but your own personal preferences to use to say what is good and bad, and who cares about opinions and personal preferences in the grand scheme of things?
Empathy might be an imperfect standard but it's better than your cowardice.
quote:Again, empathy is nothing but an emotional response based on stimuli and chemical reactions. There is nothing objective about that. Each person experiences empathy differently, and some not at all. That's not an objective standard to judge what is good and what is evil. Try again.
You claim murder, rape, and genocide are righteous acts when endorsed by the correct fictional character. Empathy tells me those things are objectively evil. So try again mighty mouse.
quote:Killing in war is not murder, and neither is capital punishment. Both of those things are essentially the categories that the killing of the Canaanites falls under, as they were guilty before God for their child sacrifices and a host of other atrocities they performed for centuries while God was being patient with them.
Numbers 31 17-18
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Are you too much of a coward to admit that this is objectively evil?
It's not "rape" to take wives from the women when they also deserved to die. They were given families and long lives instead of being put to death for their rebellion against God. It may not be everyone's cup of tea, but it was certainly a mercy to them.
What was done to the peoples of Canaan seems evil to those who don't recognize the holiness of God and the sinfulness of man. We all deserve to be slaughtered for our sins against God, but He shows His mercy to us each day by giving us breath. You have been given mercy by being given the gospel message, and yet you reject it.
And again, you have no basis to call anything "objectively evil" in your worldview. You have to borrow from the moral standard God provides in order to condemn Him. You are a walking contradiction.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 7:14 pm to Azkiger
quote:We've argued for a long time on this forum and I've been entirely consistent. How is it that you still don't understand what I believe? Or, are you misrepresenting me on purpose?
Foo believes that without the Christian God he'd be unable to navigate ethics and morals and wouldn't know whether or not child abuse is good or bad.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 7:17 pm to Azkiger
quote:If you haven't noticed, I use terms "worldview" quite often. I'm talking about fundamental belief systems that feed in to how we perceive reality, especially morality. That applies all over the place, not just talking about specific religious beliefs.
You're like the edgy atheists who can't stop shitting on everyone elses religious beliefs.
If I see you post in a thread, there's an 80-90% chance you're going to shove your very specific religious beliefs into the conversation.
If the topic is religion, then of course its free game. But why try and derail this thread? Do you think your on the nose posts help bring people closer to your specific belief system?
In addition, the reason why I bring those things up is to (hopefully) show people the foolishness and futility of adhering to a worldview that rejects God. The goal is to bring the gospel to people so that they can be saved. I'm not here to win arguments. I'm here to testify to the foolishness of thinking apart from God and to the salvation that exists through Jesus Christ.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 7:30 pm to FooManChoo
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What was done to the peoples of Canaan seems evil to those who don't recognize the holiness of God and the sinfulness of man.
Pure cowardice on your part.
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It's not "rape" to take wives from the women when they also deserved to die. They were given families and long lives instead of being put to death for their rebellion against God. It may not be everyone's cup of tea, but it was certainly a mercy to them.
It absolutely is rape and you, personally, are a pure piece of shite for excusing it in your cowardice.
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How do you even know what is "better" or "worse" when you have no objective standard to judge by? You don't have an objective standard to use, and your worldview precludes the very idea. You have nothing but your own personal preferences to use to say what is good and bad, and who cares about opinions and personal preferences in the grand scheme of things?
I have refuted this pretty soundly but just keep repeating your little canned maxims. You're a coward and a fool.
This post was edited on 12/17/22 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 12/17/22 at 7:36 pm to FooManChoo
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In addition, the reason why I bring those things up is to (hopefully) show people the foolishness and futility of adhering to a worldview that rejects God. The goal is to bring the gospel to people so that they can be saved. I'm not here to win arguments. I'm here to testify to the foolishness of thinking apart from God and to the salvation that exists through Jesus Christ.
So do you find claiming that belief in your personal deity of choice is the only path to morality is effective means of reaching out? Or are really unable to grasp how stupid, arrogant, and insulting that claim is?
Posted on 12/17/22 at 7:40 pm to shinerfan
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I have refuted this pretty soundly
Philosophers have tackled this issue for thousands of years. A lot of thinking atheists have conceded that there can be no such thing as objective morality, although they don’t talk or live as if they believe that. Sam Harris went so far as to write a book on the subject, and he came up empty. Yet you’ve not only refuted the premise here on TD, you’ve done so “soundly”.
Ok.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 7:46 pm to superwolf
No they’ll be a lot of talk about kicking arse or worse, but the keyboard commandos won’t do shite to stop it. Anyone cab be an anonymous bad arse, but nothing ever happens. The reality is that the government owns the kids and will take them anytime they want and nobody will do shite.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 7:47 pm to Toomer Deplorable
He needs to splayed out on a rack and all of the kids relatives get 100 kicks right in his balls.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 7:47 pm to FooManChoo
is a bit of a fringe belief, but fallen angels did take human wives. and this might be considered literal corruption of the human genome as created by God. is possible, the genocide in the old testament could be a directive to remove this corruption from the genome. hence virgin females might be genetically uncorrupted and available for marriage. is just another way of looking at it. and i dont claim to speak on authority. i do read the Bible literally and believe nothing is too supernatural for God. just throwing this out there as a potential way of looking at it. again not claiming to be an authority.
This post was edited on 12/17/22 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 12/17/22 at 8:00 pm to Flats
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Philosophers have tackled this issue for thousands of years. A lot of thinking atheists have conceded that there can be no such thing as objective morality
My contention is that empathy is a better foundation for objective morality than fear. Not perfect, but better.
A simple test - Do you have the courage to acknowledge Numbers 31:17-18 as evil? If you lack that courage then you're admitting to the same fear-based transactional morality as the idiot in question.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 8:08 pm to shinerfan
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My contention is that empathy is a better foundation for objective morality than fear. Not perfect, but better.
You’re the only one talking about fear. Nobody’s made that argument.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 8:10 pm to shinerfan
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As social animals most of us have evolved to develop empathy to facilitate living in groups.
There was a social aspect to both communism (by design) and fascism.
Since you purport to support both of them, which one do you prefer?
Posted on 12/17/22 at 8:45 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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She said the school will not release notes from the meetings with either Roy, or the first social worker, Jessica Burke.
This is illegal and a violation of FERPA.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 8:47 pm to Azkiger
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Foo believes that without the Christian God he'd be unable to navigate ethics and morals and wouldn't know whether or not child abuse is good or bad.
This is dumb. But you’re pretty consistent on the topic. Consistently dumb.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 9:00 pm to the808bass
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This is dumb.
And woefully inaccurate. The guy has tons of posts; there’s only one reason a third party would try to rephrase what he believes or doesn’t believe.
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