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re: First speckled trout, now LDWF is saying Redfish stocks are depleted
Posted on 12/6/22 at 10:58 am to armsdealer
Posted on 12/6/22 at 10:58 am to armsdealer
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The thing is no one there is actually concerned about managing the stocks, they just want to manage the people...
They are doing a horrible job at both.
What they seem to fail to realize is that people will still fish. Trout started regressing, more people targeted flounder, and then reds again. I can't tell you how many SWLA guides started posting nothing but redfish stringers when the trout bite was slow. People want to go catch fish....shocker.
Cut snapper quotas, people start targeting triple tail more...
Add this to the loss of habitat and the refusal to do anything about the pogey boats, and its a recipe for disaster.
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Posted on 12/6/22 at 12:10 pm to armsdealer
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"scientist" the state uses anyway
We came in from hunting with 8 blue and 4 greenwings...
Scientist asks how many of each we have...
Ma'am, just look at them
Then she asks how many male and female of each.
How can you hire a biologist who can't tell a blue from green wing teal? Bitch colorblind or something?
Posted on 12/6/22 at 12:13 pm to maisweh
Or maybe it was someone helping collect data FOR the biologists 
Posted on 12/6/22 at 12:50 pm to WPBTiger
I think we all just need to come to terms with the fact that our ecosystem and fishing will never be the same again. No one respects anything down here. We overfish and overuse all of our natural resources. Mostly for money too and we know how corrupt this state is. Money is what makes the decisions down here.
No one will seriously try to tackle the issues we face. We could probably use more strict rules and regulations on how many and what size of fish you can take, but they also need to tackle the pogie industry and come up with better ways to fix the marshes.
No one will seriously try to tackle the issues we face. We could probably use more strict rules and regulations on how many and what size of fish you can take, but they also need to tackle the pogie industry and come up with better ways to fix the marshes.
Posted on 12/6/22 at 12:55 pm to WPBTiger
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First speckled trout, now LDWF is saying Redfish stocks are depleted
and all you idiots will cheer and agree with whatever they say and demand limits be reduced just like when they lied about specks being depleted.
if keeping 5 fish is a problem then the only solution is to not be able to keep any at all.
all you idiots cheering and demanding that the speck limits get reduced because you cant catch a limit need to open your eyes. people are currently limiting out by 8:30-9:00 catching 3 and even 4 man limits of 25 fish yet you morons believed the lies because you just arent good fishermen.
here is a news flash for you, you will never be able to catch more fish by limiting what others can catch because its the fishermen at fault and not that there arent tons of fish out there
Posted on 12/6/22 at 1:00 pm to keakar
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keakar
Who are the idiots you speak of? I have seen anyone on here championing the proposal?
Posted on 12/6/22 at 1:49 pm to maisweh
Exactly, it doesn't matter if you use a bow or a fishing line, 5 is 5.
Stop killing their food and don't keep bull reds, and you fix your problem. If needed in the intermediate shorten the limit to 3 per person.
Stop killing their food and don't keep bull reds, and you fix your problem. If needed in the intermediate shorten the limit to 3 per person.
Posted on 12/6/22 at 1:54 pm to maisweh
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I've been bowfishing more times than most people here go fishing regularly. I've never seen anyone shoot an undersized red. Yall gut hook more undersized reds than people shoot.
Very true, first off if you use a good guide he will be there coaching you on which are good to shoot. There are way more lost to gut hooking.
Posted on 12/6/22 at 2:04 pm to bbvdd
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Who are the idiots you speak of? I have seen anyone on here championing the proposal?
you are so full of shite, stop being so dishonest
19 out of 20 posters on OB were 100% in favor of reducing speck limits and many wanted it reduced down to 10 instead of 15
and they will do the same thing again for this redfish BS
Posted on 12/6/22 at 2:09 pm to keakar
Genuinely curious here. What is so bad about lowering the limits? Will any families starve by bringing home slightly less meat? I understand not liking government regulations but, outside of that, how will individuals be personally affected by the limits? From all the research and evidence from other states it looks like this will have a net benefit on our estuary.
Posted on 12/6/22 at 2:10 pm to bluemoons
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t's honestly mind blowing to me how different the redfish stock in lower St. Bernard is compared to what it was 10 years ago. I'm 32 and have fished and hunted the area for the majority of my life.
Try being 65 and seeing the land disappear before your eyes. Myrtle Grove / Lake Hermitage.....its just a shell of what it was. Empire......Jesus you might as well say you are launching into the Gulf at Joshua's or Delta.
I've been fishing down there since I was 8. There was an electric launch at Myrtle Grove was on the side of Highway 23. The canal was prolly 1/3 the size it is now. Yeah habitat is huge issue in this problem but the other things mentioned here do contribute.
And I was one on those guys who could limit out quickly, Reds prolly by full sunrise and I can't tell you how many times I had 50 trout on ice by 7:30. I don't go as much anymore but at least I have those memories.
This post was edited on 12/6/22 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 12/6/22 at 2:21 pm to keakar
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all you idiots cheering and demanding that the speck limits get reduced because you cant catch a limit need to open your eyes. people are currently limiting out by 8:30-9:00 catching 3 and even 4 man limits of 25 fish yet you morons believed the lies because you just arent good fishermen.
This is a ridiculous argument based on nothing. I’ve smoked the fish the last 2 years and still would like to see an increase in the size limit with some kind of slot (14”-20”). Louisiana’s fishery is as vulnerable as any other and, as anglers, it makes sense for us to do all we can do to ensure its continued productivity. I would love if Louisiana anglers could self limit but for some reason we think it ain’t a fishing trip without box shots and freezer burned fish.
Posted on 12/6/22 at 2:23 pm to hall59tiger
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What is so bad about lowering the limits?
Nothing. Nothing is bad about it. However, if they are doing it for species conservation then they really need to stop turning the other way in regards to commercial fishing.
Interesting to see Keaker get torqued about it.
Posted on 12/6/22 at 2:44 pm to Saskwatch
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Nothing. Nothing is bad about it. However, if they are doing it for species conservation then they really need to stop turning the other way in regards to commercial fishing
I totally agree but why can’t we have both. As someone mentioned above, there are many factors at play here (habitat loss/change, commercial fishing (including pogie boats), recreational fishing, and many we probably aren’t even aware of. Why can’t we have restrictions on all of those?
I still don’t understand why people are so opposed to the recreational restrictions.
This post was edited on 12/6/22 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 12/6/22 at 3:08 pm to hall59tiger
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there are many factors at play here (habitat loss/change, commercial fishing (including pogie boats), recreational fishing, and many we probably aren’t even aware of. Why can’t we have restrictions on all of those?
I agree. The unfortunate circumstance is that Louisiana has failed to put funds into studying and managing the resource effectively. TX, MS, AL, and FL. all have many scientific efforts recording data and studies on what's happening in real time. There's hatcheries, dedicated labs, etc... I don't hear about any of that going on despite the fact that it's a gigantic resource for the state, it's residents, and numerous visitors who come here for the sole purpose of fishing and eating seafood.
Posted on 12/6/22 at 3:21 pm to reds on reds on reds
Can somebody explain to me what how not letting the redfish get any sleep does to the survival rate of redfish?
I mean really, first of all, redfish that are getting pressured can swim… they, like all other game, can move to an area with less pressure. I can’t speak for everyone, but when I bowfish, I’m not running through the same spots repeatedly all night long. There’s also only a couple of guide boats in the area I fish so it’s not like there’s a boat coming in right behind me either.
I can see an argument for putting restrictions on charter bow fishing, because I feel like their catch rates are higher than the average boat. I don’t know if it’s true but it should be studied. It would be easy enough to start with a catch reporting requirement for charter captains. Either way, we should look into these things, instead of blindly calling for banning them.
On our duck lease has a ton of grass this year. I haven’t been fishing it, but usually you can tear them up on rod and reel, but try going in there to shoot them at night and you’ll be disappointed. Despite the numbers of reds in there, they disappear in the grass, and get all the “rest” and “quarter” they need.
And I also don’t understand the argument that mud boats are causing habitat loss. We’ve run them on our lease for 20 years. The damage a storm does when it goes through that area is way more destructive then anything you can do with a boat… even if someone is being an idiot. Sure, they’re obnoxious and make the marsh more crowded than I would like, but everyone is out there just trying to enjoy it like I am.
I mean really, first of all, redfish that are getting pressured can swim… they, like all other game, can move to an area with less pressure. I can’t speak for everyone, but when I bowfish, I’m not running through the same spots repeatedly all night long. There’s also only a couple of guide boats in the area I fish so it’s not like there’s a boat coming in right behind me either.
I can see an argument for putting restrictions on charter bow fishing, because I feel like their catch rates are higher than the average boat. I don’t know if it’s true but it should be studied. It would be easy enough to start with a catch reporting requirement for charter captains. Either way, we should look into these things, instead of blindly calling for banning them.
On our duck lease has a ton of grass this year. I haven’t been fishing it, but usually you can tear them up on rod and reel, but try going in there to shoot them at night and you’ll be disappointed. Despite the numbers of reds in there, they disappear in the grass, and get all the “rest” and “quarter” they need.
And I also don’t understand the argument that mud boats are causing habitat loss. We’ve run them on our lease for 20 years. The damage a storm does when it goes through that area is way more destructive then anything you can do with a boat… even if someone is being an idiot. Sure, they’re obnoxious and make the marsh more crowded than I would like, but everyone is out there just trying to enjoy it like I am.
This post was edited on 12/6/22 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 12/6/22 at 3:28 pm to Theduckhunter
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I can’t speak for everyone, but when I bowfish, I’m not running through the same spots repeatedly all night long.
I think it more or less pushes them out of their normal habits and areas. If you run tower boats, mud boats, and bowfishing boats over them all day and night down shorelines then redfish will stop the behavior of hunting fish, crabs, shrimp in shallow ponds and along shallow shorelines.
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I also don’t understand the argument that mud boats are causing habitat loss.
They sure aren't helping to keep the marsh grass above and below the water intact. Less grass means less roots which increases erosion speed. Nutria are probably a bigger issue but baws in their duckboats chewing up the bank or small spots of mud and grass above water aren't helping the situation.
This post was edited on 12/6/22 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 12/6/22 at 3:56 pm to Saskwatch
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Interesting to see Keaker get torqued about it.
i get torqued, when they refuse to address the root cause of the problem, and instead just revert to punishing recreational fishermen for the devastation being caused by the pogie boats
speck limits didnt need to be reduced, its easy as pie to catch limits of 25 specks every time if you know how to fish. but they reduce what you can keep and wont even talk about outlawing the pogie boats
it costs a small fortune just to go fishing and you arent even allowed to keep enough for a second meal from it. hell its getting cheaper to buy gourmet steaks then catch fish to eat
This post was edited on 12/6/22 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 12/6/22 at 3:58 pm to Tiger 79
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t's honestly mind blowing to me how different the redfish stock in lower St. Bernard is compared to what it was 10 years ago. I'm 32 and have fished and hunted the area for the majority of my life.
Try being 65 and seeing the land disappear before your eyes. Myrtle Grove / Lake Hermitage.....its just a shell of what it was. Empire......Jesus you might as well say you are launching into the Gulf at Joshua's or Delta.
I've been fishing down there since I was 8. There was an electric launch at Myrtle Grove was on the side of Highway 23. The canal was prolly 1/3 the size it is now. Yeah habitat is huge issue in this problem but the other things mentioned here do contribute.
And I was one on those guys who could limit out quickly, Reds prolly by full sunrise and I can't tell you how many times I had 50 trout on ice by 7:30. I don't go as much anymore but at least I have those memories.
cut my teeth fishing MG and remember early 80s filling boxes with reds and specks without going past lake laurier. then after blackened redfish craze reds became a little tougher. but the area remained solid until after katrina rita, then a rapid decline began heck a spot that a man used to mow grass on at camp on laurier in 1990 was now 200 yards from the bank....
Oh and quail numbers LA had (that I saw 1976 through 1984 were unreal) The decline from 1984 to 1992 was unreal
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