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re: Respect for Marriage Act passed by Senate. Goes to House for final vote.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 10:49 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 11/30/22 at 10:49 am to NC_Tigah
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What government?
You should have stopped right there and left the 4 paragraph of fluff out. The OP headline states our, USA, government. In the United States who gives out the marriage license? Church or the Court House? So if the marriage license certifies you then it's a government right.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 10:52 am to SOSFAN
quote:Negative. You should have read the "fluff".
The OP headline states our, USA, government
Posted on 11/30/22 at 10:58 am to HubbaBubba
Not that I care about the actual issue one way or another, but this is just more federal government overreach. Not discussed in the constitution, should be a states right issue, like abortion rights.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:01 am to UFMatt
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should be a states right issue, like abortion rights.
Almost everything should be a local issue. People can choose their town or city based on this.
Bigger the govt, the less representative it is.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:12 am to NC_Tigah
quote:it is one of literally hundreds of issues that fall within the purview of the equal protection clause
Well Mr.ConstitutionLover, where is marriage, or the right to marry, addressed in the US Constitution?
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 11:14 am
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:12 am to KAGTASTIC
Just something to remember when the lefties say making decisions based on Christians' love of God is not appropriate....remember the left does it for what's best for what they love...
Schumers tweet talking to his lesbo daughter after this garbage passed the senate
Schumers tweet talking to his lesbo daughter after this garbage passed the senate
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:13 am to LSUbest
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Under the guise of vague language, the RFMA could allow for the legal victimization of wedding vendors, adoption agencies, bakeries, and any other entities run by people of faith who refuse to offer services condoning same-sex marriage based on religious convictions.
The easy way around this is for the vendor to not publish prices. Price things differently for each customer. Two gays come in and the vendor doesnt really want to bake them a cake, price it at $25,000 for a single layer cake with grocery store icing.
Or just say you are booked up and cant produce a quality product in the needed timeframe.
Or bake the cake and substitute corn starch for flour. Or cayenne pepper for flour.
With that being said I dont care if two gays get married. I believe changes need to be made regarding marriage. I think it should be done at the courthouse for everyone (to make it a legal contract in the eyes of the state) and for the religious (of which I am) can have a separate service at their church (to make it official in the eyes of God).
As Jesus said (Mark 12:17) “Give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.”
Churches should not be forced to do a service for someone who does not have the same moral standards.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:19 am to alphaandomega
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Under the guise of vague language, the RFMA could allow for the legal victimization of wedding vendors, adoption agencies, bakeries, and any other entities run by people of faith who refuse to offer services condoning same-sex marriage based on religious convictions.
Progressives loathe freedom, particularly religious freedom
Their goal is punitive.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:22 am to Pelican fan99
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Is there really any reason to oppose this bill? Some things just don’t seem worth the fight unless there is some hidden BS crammed in that I don’t know about
Yea man, just roll over and take it up the arse because the democrats said it was a good idea
How fricking retarded/lazy are you??
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:29 am to HubbaBubba
Why do we need a federal law IRT gay marriage? Wasn't this settled by the US Supreme Court?
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:31 am to AggieHank86
quote:Ah yes.
hundreds of issues that fall within the purview of the equal protection clause
Right there next to abortion.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:31 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
quote:Roe/Dobbs provides a template for what can happen, if you rely solely upon a Court ruling and do not codify it.
Why do we need a federal law IRT gay marriage? Wasn't this settled by the US Supreme Court?
They will not make that mistake again.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:33 am to NC_Tigah
quote:Not remotely.
hundreds of issues that fall within the purview of the equal protection clausequote:
Ah yes. Right there next to abortion.
Dobbs was a correct decision, as was Obergefell.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:33 am to NC_Tigah
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Ah yes.
Right there next to abortion.
I'm still waiting on the definition of a "secular government". Is there a Book of Secular somewhere that's going to define the values we base our laws on?
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:37 am to NC_Tigah
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The Constitution is silent regarding Marriage. Not a peep. That Constitutional silence channels directly to the 10th Amendment. So in fact, there is no Constitutionally provided federal right to marriage. Just as there is no Constitutionally provided federal right to abortion.
So marriage itself is a state's right, not a federal right.
Marriage is not a state's right nor is it a federal right. It's amazing that people rail against the federal government getting involved, but will be all about letting a state get involved in in that right. Not every right needs to be spelled out in the Constitution for it to exist, and marriage is one of them.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:40 am to alphaandomega
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Churches should not be forced to do a service for someone who does not have the same moral standards.
They don't have to and this bill does not change that.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:47 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Why do we need a federal law IRT gay marriage? Wasn't this settled by the US Supreme Court?
To legalize religious persecution. Gay mafia finna eat on religious orgs
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:50 am to SoonerK
quote:Legal determinants of marriage are absolutely delegated to the states. IAW the 10thA, state laws are determinative.
Marriage is not a state's right
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:50 am to SOSFAN
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Let me ask everyone if homosexuals changed the name from Gay marriage to Civil Union and performed at city hall and not a church would you still have issues?
Any "normal" thinking person should reject any official recognition of perversion!!!
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:51 am to SoonerK
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Marriage is not a state's right nor is it a federal right.
If a state were to drop marriage as a whole, I wonder how that would pan out.
At this point I'm wondering what a legit state can be proactive to fight what is coming. This is where we will see where DeSantis' muster really is.
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