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re: CBK didnt have the culture now Saban is losing the culture

Posted on 11/18/22 at 4:20 pm to
Posted by FreddieMac
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Posted on 11/18/22 at 4:20 pm to
This is not hard to figure. Saban will never do well with players that are paid legally because he cannot control the conditions. Saban is a big external motivation guy. Saban's culture was built around complete control and players agreed to it in the day because, they made a little on the side and it was a path to the NFL. All external motivators for players to do what he wants. Now many of the external motivators Saban used traditionally are not there because of NIL. Players can go play, get paid, have a path to NFL and not have Saban up their backsides daily.

BK, from what I have seen, is an intrinsic motivation person. Intrinsic motivation is harder to achieve, but usually is more lasting. The self-motivated person is going to be more motivated and the motivation last, becomes habits. BK has a great concept for the NIL world. It is about showing players how to adopt habits to get themselves more.

The two systems differences are very slight. They sound very similar, but are very different ultimately.
This post was edited on 11/18/22 at 6:47 pm
Posted by TBoy@LSU
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/18/22 at 4:38 pm to
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Saban will never do well with players that are paid legally


Yeah, like the NFL.
Posted by bstew3006
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Posted on 11/18/22 at 5:34 pm to
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This is not hard to figure. Saban will never do well with players that are paid legally because he cannot control the conditions. Saban is a big external motivation guy


This is why he didn’t last in the NFL.
Posted by Yeahright
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Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 11/18/22 at 8:12 pm to
Freddie Mac hit the nail on the head with his analysis...
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his is not hard to figure. Saban will never do well with players that are paid legally because he cannot control the conditions. Saban is a big external motivation guy. Saban's culture was built around complete control and players agreed to it in the day because, they made a little on the side and it was a path to the NFL. All external motivators for players to do what he wants. Now many of the external motivators Saban used traditionally are not there because of NIL. Players can go play, get paid, have a path to NFL and not have Saban up their backsides daily.

BK, from what I have seen, is an intrinsic motivation person. Intrinsic motivation is harder to achieve, but usually is more lasting. The self-motivated person is going to be more motivated and the motivation last, becomes habits. BK has a great concept for the NIL world. It is about showing players how to adopt habits to get themselves more.

The two systems differences are very slight. They sound very similar, but are very different ultimately.


This post was edited on 11/18/22 at 8:13 pm
Posted by Penrod
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Posted on 11/19/22 at 9:13 am to
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Saban will never do well with players that are paid legally because he cannot control the conditions. Saban is a big external motivation guy. Saban's culture was built around complete control and players agreed to it in the day because, they made a little on the side and it was a path to the NFL. All external motivators for players to do what he wants. Now many of the external motivators Saban used traditionally are not there because of NIL. Players can go play, get paid, have a path to NFL and not have Saban up their backsides daily.

I think you are substantively correct, however, this is not the reason Bama is slipping.

The slip started in 2018, long before NIL. It started when Clemson boat-raced them in the national championship. That game ended the era of Bama being the college football unchallenged alpha. Before that, Bama only lost when a QB had a Superman game, and even then it was close.

A year later, LSU ran them off their own field in a game that was dominated in a way the final score did not indicate. And last year, before NIL really hit, a crap LSU team almost beat them, then Georgia pushed their shite in.

From 2018 to 2022 we are seeing a Bama team that no one fears. They won that championship in the pandemic year, and good for them. Saban deserved it because he held his team together when everyone else folded. But that was Saban’s last, and he will never win another.

I think the slide started when Alabama had to move away from the smash-mouth style to the flag football they play now. It’s effective but not intimidating.
This post was edited on 11/19/22 at 9:14 am
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