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re: The Structure of Capitalism...
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:17 pm to AnarchoDawg
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:17 pm to AnarchoDawg
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Instead of making people rely on the whims of billionaires, we could just use all the excess wealth at the top to make sure that no one starves!
This literally never works. China has done the best at it and they have only done so by allow some free market movement and turning their citizenry into a virtual zombie state.
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Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:22 pm to Pechon
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Yes, let me pay some incompetent boob who will cost me more money with their mistakes than actually hiring someone competent and paying them their worth so they are happy.
Sound business strategy from a communist.
You're making my point for me! It's not a good 'business' strategy SO CAPITALISTS DON'T DO IT. I'm not saying they should pay employees more than they produce. I'm saying, why should the employee get less than they're worth? The workers should own the means of production and split the profits together.
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:22 pm to mule74
The great leap forward, up to 60 million starved.
Communism and socialism have killed faaar more innocent people than capitalism
Communism and socialism have killed faaar more innocent people than capitalism
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:23 pm to AnarchoDawg
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Agreed, worker co-ops are great.
Then I would suggest engaging and discussing with folks(and your self) on that topic instead of coming out guns blazing with SMASHING CAPITALISM . Unless you are just looking to be provocative.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:24 pm to AnarchoDawg
What commune do you belong?
Capitalism has saved more poor from.poverty than any other system.
Capitalism has saved more poor from.poverty than any other system.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:25 pm to AnarchoDawg
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Communism is workers owning the means of production and making decisions together about how/what should be made
I just don't see how this works. Personally, if I work harder than you and I think I am smarter than you, I'll want a bigger share than you. How do I go about getting ahead of you if that is my goal?
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:25 pm to AnarchoDawg
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why should the employee get less than they're worth?
Who says an easily replaceable dude with no skill or education deserve more?
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:26 pm to ThuperThumpin
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Then I would suggest engaging and discussing with folks(and your self) on that topic instead of coming out guns blazing with SMASHING CAPITALISM . Unless you are just looking to be provocative.
That is the problem with their message, it is the same as the republican "owning the libs"--you just push people away.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:26 pm to AnarchoDawg
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why should the employee get less than they're worth?
They don't. The employer/owner determines how much the worker is worth based on their skill level/output. You want more? Do more. That is the beauty of capitalism.
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The workers should own the means of production and split the profits together.
Then the worker should take the risk, start his own company and then he will "own the means of production".
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:26 pm to mule74
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You should read Animal Farm.
Orwell was literally a socialist who fought on the side of the anarchists in the Spanish civil war. You should read "We" by Zamyatin. Great take down of totalitarianism, whether people call it communism or capitialism or whatever.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:27 pm to Old Money
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just don't see how this works.
It never has worked. That's why we evolved.
Let the Luddite live in the 1700s.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:27 pm to AnarchoDawg
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Instead of making people rely on the whims of billionaires, we could just use all the excess wealth at the top to make sure that no one starves!
That's the funny part to me, a billionaire having all their material needs met and just not being allowed to control what other people get is somehow a tragedy to you, but a billionaire deciding based on their 'charity' who gets to eat makes them angels.
So you think there should be a cap on how much money someone is allowed to make? I guess you don't like innovation very much then. Why would someone bust their arse to invent a product or start a company if they're not allowed to be rewarded for their efforts? Why would anyone spend 12 years going to medical school?
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:28 pm to AnarchoDawg
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Orwell was literally a socialist
Who recognized the danger of socialism
He was way smarter than you are.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:29 pm to AnarchoDawg
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You're making my point for me! It's not a good 'business' strategy SO CAPITALISTS DON'T DO IT. I'm not saying they should pay employees more than they produce. I'm saying, why should the employee get less than they're worth?
You're so dumb you think I'm making your point. Red Adair said it best: If you think hiring a professional is expensive, wait till you hire an amateur.
You think the means of production should be done by incompetent boobs who are smart enough to do the job but dumb enough not to ask questions. A cog in the machine. The new boss is no different than the old. This does nothing in the ways of inspiring innovation and moving society forward.
In a free market I can take my experience in my field and easily go somewhere else if I feel my services are not rewarded. The part you don't like is the rejection. Your sensibilities are too weak to realize perhaps maybe you're not all that in your field.
The free market has a way of humbling people but with that. However you learn to improve and put yourself in a better situation. You don't like it because laziness is not rewarded.
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The workers should own the means of production and split the profits together.
I already do, it's called a commission check. Again, you're doing it wrong.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:32 pm to BugAC
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They don't.
They do, that's how companies stay solvent. If they paid the same or more, they'd go out of business.
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You want more? Do more.
Have you ever had a job??
The highest paid often do the LEAST. The workers on the front lines bust their butt, managers do less make more, owner does the least, makes the most. quote:
Then the worker should take the risk, start his own company and then he will "own the means of production".
Doing that and becoming an owner just means you get to now exploit other workers. Someone has to be exploited in capitalism. At least worker owned co-ops are on the right path. Workers making decisions together.
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:33 pm to Pechon
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I already do, it's called a commission check
Is your commission more or less than the value your sale brought? Who keeps the rest?
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:33 pm to AnarchoDawg
What commune do you dwell?
How do you support yourself?
How do you support yourself?
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:34 pm to AnarchoDawg
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AnarchoDawg
I'm glad we all got to do this. This was a lot of fun. Thanks for stopping by.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:35 pm to AnarchoDawg
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your commission more or less than the value your sale brought?
You can't define this either.
Add that to capitalism and socialism as things you cannot understand.
Up to 100 million starved under socialism\comminoism.in the 20th century.
Hitler hated capitalism too.
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:37 pm to AnarchoDawg
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Is your commission more or less than the value your sale brought? Who keeps the rest?
Do you understand what "cost of goods sold" means?
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