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re: The Structure of Capitalism...

Posted by AnarchoDawg on 11/16/22 at 3:33 pm to
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I already do, it's called a commission check


Is your commission more or less than the value your sale brought? Who keeps the rest?

re: The Structure of Capitalism...

Posted by AnarchoDawg on 11/16/22 at 3:32 pm to
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They don't.


They do, that's how companies stay solvent. If they paid the same or more, they'd go out of business.

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You want more? Do more.

Have you ever had a job?? :lol: The highest paid often do the LEAST. The workers on the front lines bust their butt, managers do less make more, owner does the least, makes the most.

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Then the worker should take the risk, start his own company and then he will "own the means of production".


Doing that and becoming an owner just means you get to now exploit other workers. Someone has to be exploited in capitalism. At least worker owned co-ops are on the right path. Workers making decisions together.

re: The Structure of Capitalism...

Posted by AnarchoDawg on 11/16/22 at 3:26 pm to
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You should read Animal Farm.


Orwell was literally a socialist who fought on the side of the anarchists in the Spanish civil war. You should read "We" by Zamyatin. Great take down of totalitarianism, whether people call it communism or capitialism or whatever.

re: The Structure of Capitalism...

Posted by AnarchoDawg on 11/16/22 at 3:22 pm to
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Yes, let me pay some incompetent boob who will cost me more money with their mistakes than actually hiring someone competent and paying them their worth so they are happy.

Sound business strategy from a communist.


You're making my point for me! It's not a good 'business' strategy SO CAPITALISTS DON'T DO IT. I'm not saying they should pay employees more than they produce. I'm saying, why should the employee get less than they're worth? The workers should own the means of production and split the profits together.
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These kids would starve within amonth without our charity.


Instead of making people rely on the whims of billionaires, we could just use all the excess wealth at the top to make sure that no one starves!

That's the funny part to me, a billionaire having all their material needs met and just not being allowed to control what other people get is somehow a tragedy to you, but a billionaire deciding based on their 'charity' who gets to eat makes them angels.

re: The Structure of Capitalism...

Posted by AnarchoDawg on 11/16/22 at 3:11 pm to
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Not every job is McDonalds, dude.


It's literally every job :lol:
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But I betcha he sure enjoys the fruits of Capitalism. He's probably on an iphone, living in a city



Have you ever seen this? This is you LINK

re: The Structure of Capitalism...

Posted by AnarchoDawg on 11/16/22 at 3:08 pm to
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If you're not getting paid your worth, you're doing it wrong.


No, it's the structure of capitalism. If you have a job, your boss HAS to pay you less than the value you make for them. If they don't, they go out of business. It's the way that system of organizing an economy functions.
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Socialism reqiRES TOTAL state control


This is literally what I'm saying you're wrong about. The most important part of communism, the start, the place where it all begins, the foundation, is that workers control the means of production. State authoritarian systems are awful. Private authoritarian systems are awful. Democracy in the workplace is the answer.

re: The Structure of Capitalism...

Posted by AnarchoDawg on 11/16/22 at 3:04 pm to
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Become a boss.


Nah, don't want to exploit people.

re: The Structure of Capitalism...

Posted by AnarchoDawg on 11/16/22 at 2:59 pm to
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Are you a tankie?


No, I'm an anti-state communist, an anarcho-communist, not in favor of states even existing in the long run.
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I dont have an issue with the promotion or incentivizing of worker co-ops. We need more of them to get data on their performance in the long run. I dont support making it law.



Agreed, worker co-ops are great. Not sure exactly what you mean by making it law, but I'm not advocating that.
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1. It allows people to own their labor and the fruits of their labor.

2. It promotes innovation.

3. It makes things cheaper.

4. It allows more people to have access to goods.


I appreciate an actual response!

1. That's what the video I posted is about. Capitalism does not allow people to keep the fruits of their labor. It allows the owner (boss) to pay you less than what you produced and keep the profits. It sells works on the idea that one day if you work harder enough, you can be the owner.

2. Nearly all important innovation of the last century was from research funded by the state. Microchips, computers generally, telecommunications satellites, etc.

3. Capitalism encourages companies to make the most they can by charging as much as possible, even if it's cheap to make. Insulin is a great example. It's almost 10x as expensive here as in other countries, why? Because we don't regulate prices on life saving medications and people are forced to choose between paying ridiculous amounts or risk their health.

4. Capitalism rations goods based on wealth. Rich people have more access and poor people are quite limited.

re: The Structure of Capitalism...

Posted by AnarchoDawg on 11/16/22 at 2:46 pm to
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Let me guess, you're a Vaush guy, or a Hasan guy.
lol Vaush and Hasan suck. they are grifters

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I don't need to defend my position. I am not even debating, you're the one trying to convince us capitalism doesn't work. Don't ask for my position, you need to convince us why yours is correct!
:violin:

re: The Structure of Capitalism...

Posted by AnarchoDawg on 11/16/22 at 2:40 pm to
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With what? Mental midgets like you certainly don't have anthing better... Maybe if you weren't a worthless idiot you'd get paid more.


the guillotine
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Stop spending your welfare on Meth.


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Commies hate voluntary exchanges.


LOLOL I'm an anarcho communist, so literally I believe everything should be voluntary associations

Capitalism is a system of private tyrannies owning the means of production. Owners make the important decisions about how/what should be made.

Socialism limits private ownership and institutes public control via the govt.

Communism is workers owning the means of production and making decisions together about how/what should be made.

re: The Structure of Capitalism...

Posted by AnarchoDawg on 11/16/22 at 2:33 pm to
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Communism means you eat your damn dog because there isn’t enough food.



Literally millions of people in this country are stuggling to eat.

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re: The Structure of Capitalism...

Posted by AnarchoDawg on 11/16/22 at 2:18 pm to
Are you saying capitalism has been proven to 'work'? What exactly works about it?