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Why is individual freedom such a hard thing to sell?

Posted on 11/12/22 at 9:58 pm
Posted by Egcross revenge
Member since Jul 2022
53 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 9:58 pm
It should be the easiest thing to vote for. The person who makes the government leave me alone the most is always going to be the winner in my eyes. I just can’t see why other people, especially the majority of other people don’t feel this way.
This post was edited on 11/12/22 at 9:59 pm
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
21978 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 9:59 pm to
Because people refuse to believe they need to take care of themselves.
Posted by TulaneFan
Slidell, LA
Member since Jan 2008
14092 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 10:01 pm to
People value free shite over personal freedom
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465837 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 10:02 pm to
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Why is individual freedom such a hard thing to sell?

I mean abortion was a key issue in swing/purple states for this reason. The DEMs sold it very well.
Posted by NM Tiger 67
Member since Oct 2022
288 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 10:03 pm to
The saddest part is that liberals only arguing favor of so called individual freedom when it comes to allowing them to kill babies and they think that makes THEM the party of individual freedom!
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
10320 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 10:03 pm to
Because it's not natural and not human nature. We are inherently drawn to live under tyrants. 99%+ of human civilization has been strong men leading weaker men.

America's founding was very unique, and took brilliant thinkers to come up with a system that could withstand the natural urge for people to vote themselves into tyranny. They tried their best, and amazingly it lasted 250 years. We are likely at the end of the experiment, sadly.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465837 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 10:03 pm to
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People value free shite over personal freedom

Trump's admin spent the most money on "free shite" of any President in history.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 10:04 pm to
People can't handle the idea of being responsible for their own successes and failures. There's also the tendency for too many to want the government to force others to behave according to one's individual morality.
Posted by TulaneFan
Slidell, LA
Member since Jan 2008
14092 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 10:04 pm to
quote:

I mean abortion was a key issue in swing/purple states for this reason. The DEMs sold it very well.

Yes of course, muh body autonomy. But it’s not their body it’s their unborn child’s
Posted by BengalOnTheBay
Member since Aug 2022
3855 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 10:04 pm to
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I mean abortion was a key issue in swing/purple states for this reason.


I agree most Democrats do not understand basic biology.
Posted by m2pro
Member since Nov 2008
29650 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 10:04 pm to
The answer is that people's collective memory is story, and human nature would rather be ruled than to be free.

We do not hold ourselves accountable as individuals.
Posted by BengalOnTheBay
Member since Aug 2022
3855 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 10:04 pm to
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Why is individual freedom such a hard thing to sell?


Men, as a general group, vote for freedom because they feel they can provide their own security.

Married women, as a general group, vote for freedom because they already have a man providing security.

Single women, as a general group, overwhelm the previous two groups because they overwhelmingly vote for security and they want daddy gov to provide it.
This post was edited on 11/12/22 at 10:07 pm
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
62981 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 10:05 pm to
What about the individua freedom of the baby?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465837 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 10:05 pm to
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Yes of course, muh body autonomy. But it’s not their body it’s their unborn child’s

"My body my choice" seems to be a much stronger selling point on their interpretation of "individual rights"

Politics is about selling policies and candidates.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465837 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 10:06 pm to
quote:

What about the individua freedom of the baby?

Republicans did a very bad job selling that angle.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53709 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 10:06 pm to
The majority of the youngsters under age 35 are scared shitless to take on the full responsibility for their decisions and their lives.
Posted by TulaneFan
Slidell, LA
Member since Jan 2008
14092 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 10:06 pm to
quote:

Politics is about selling policies and candidates.

Dems win without good policy or good candidates, and we all know why
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
38637 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 10:10 pm to
Because to enjoy individual freedom one has to be individually responsible for their needs. The weak would be fools to seek freedom, most couldn't cut it outside of the pack.

The solitary bird may fly high, but if he makes a mistake there is no one to catch the fall. Or care about it.
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
14859 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 10:11 pm to
quote:

Because people refuse to believe they need to take care of themselves.


That's only half of it.

The other half is to get out of everyone else's business.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 11/12/22 at 10:14 pm to
nonsense - you know the elections are being stolen

stop rationalizing the theft of the civil rights of tens of millions of Americans
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