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Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:31 pm to hashtag
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Okay, we get it. Your a Marxist.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:34 pm to Crawdaddy
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Some say there are some in HineybIsland Swamp. I believe there is a guy doing research in the English Bayou area off the east Pearl.
yep he has put in many years there. And has come up empty handed so far, although he will tell you different. Hope he succeeds.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:35 pm to weagle99
Could the woodpecker not fly? It should have made a little effort and flew to another tree a few miles away.
If my house gets destroyed I will move to somewhere else and build a new home for my family.
Stupid bird.
If my house gets destroyed I will move to somewhere else and build a new home for my family.
Stupid bird.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:42 pm to alphaandomega
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Could the woodpecker not fly? It should have made a little effort and flew to another tree a few miles away.
If my house gets destroyed I will move to somewhere else and build a new home for my family.
Stupid bird.
Crude, but you are not wrong.
To think that the Singer Tract could have saved an extincting species that ranged from Florida to Ohio is peak stupidity.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:46 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
Simply change the name. So many believe it is still around and are hunting it for the value of its "ivory"!!
Posted on 11/5/22 at 1:01 pm to hashtag
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so your pleasure is more important than someone else's right to do with their own property what they want.
That wasn’t really my question in that post.
Would it make you happy to see such a culturally and environmentally important tree like the Angel Oak destroyed to support the idea of property rights?
Despite all this I consider myself to be on the Right, and the Right often talks about doing things so as not to hinder future generations. Is not eliminating natural things that would be touchstones for future generations part of that consideration?
This post was edited on 11/5/22 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 11/5/22 at 1:01 pm to Spoonbilla
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To think that the Singer Tract could have saved an extincting species that ranged from Florida to Ohio is peak stupidity.
Not if almost all other suitable habitat was already gone.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 1:15 pm to weagle99
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such a culturally and environmentally important tree
Want me to drive you around the Lowcountry and show you 25 more trees just like the "Angel Oak"? I will be buried under 3 live oaks that were trees when that one was a seedling.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 3:46 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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Perhaps they failed to adapt and went extinct.
Very difficult to adapt in the relatively short time frame that their habitat became threatened in. You could make the same argument for the dodo or the passenger pigeon, but again, there was no way those species could adapt to the rapid increase in hunting that caused their extinctions.
I'm a biologist, and I don't support seizing property to save a species. I don't even support the listing of alot of the geographical species (insert River System minnow here) because there is no way to save them once the populations get to the level that they become listed. All they become at that point are weapons for environmental extremist groups to use to block the use of those systems.
On the other hand, voluntary conservation efforts to prevent legal restrictions is a great way to approach the issue. The conservation initiatives surrounded the sage grouse (and sage ecosystem as a whole) in the West is one such example. Another is the safe harbor agreements used with the red-cockaded woodpeckers that allow landowners to continue managing their land the way they want without fear of government intervention if an RCW colony becomes established on their land.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 4:51 pm to weagle99
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But it can’t be good for us to be willing to sacrifice historical or culturally or environmentally important things or places at the alter of property rights.
I am annoyed at myself for typing that but that is increasingly how I feel and I see the way we trash nature.
I agree with you but, probably like you, I don't trust the government to do the least restrictive thing in trying to find a solution. I trust the collective free market to figure out a solution much more than the government who will take any small power you give them and expand it exponentially. There will be some losses in figuring it out but I'd rather that than empower the government further.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 5:16 pm to weagle99
Start addressing real, serious problems like invasive species before you ask to confiscate private property.
See - they won't do that.
That's how you know they're running a game.
See - they won't do that.
That's how you know they're running a game.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 5:22 pm to Havok14
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I believe man falls outside of the natural food chain here and should do our best to not overextend our hand.
Where is here?
The ivory billed woodpecker was not something humans consumed.
Assuming you meant ecosystem rather than food chain...
What other mammals do you believe are not part of the natural ecosystem?
Posted on 11/5/22 at 5:28 pm to weagle99
Posted on 11/5/22 at 5:31 pm to weagle99
Haha, what a joke. Of course not. Government is out of control.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 5:34 pm to weagle99
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I understand that, which is why I am in conflict with myself. Answer this: What would Yellowstone be today without government? Or pick your park of choice. Does the preservation of certain things and places that benefit the planet as a whole supersede your right to build a firework stand?
I’m with you on this. I think it’s great that we protect our National Parks.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 5:42 pm to weagle99
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Answer this: What would Yellowstone be today without government? Or pick your park of choice.
Yellowstone is not private property
Posted on 11/5/22 at 5:44 pm to weagle99
I share your respect of nature. But, you've got to be careful granting power over land.
The wetlands issue is a prime example. I'm all for protecting legitimate wetlands and estuaries. It took one president and some bad judges to abuse that power to extend government reach to include almost any puddle of mud anywhere. It's ridiculous.
Thankfully, I believe there's a Supreme Court case that's about to chime in on this issue. Hopefully it restores some restraint on some clear overreach born out of a good cause.
The wetlands issue is a prime example. I'm all for protecting legitimate wetlands and estuaries. It took one president and some bad judges to abuse that power to extend government reach to include almost any puddle of mud anywhere. It's ridiculous.
Thankfully, I believe there's a Supreme Court case that's about to chime in on this issue. Hopefully it restores some restraint on some clear overreach born out of a good cause.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 5:45 pm to weagle99
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Not if almost all other suitable habitat was already gone.
False, there comes a point when the gene pool is too small to sustain the species, extinction is inevitable outside of genetic manipulation.
I hope you wouldn't want that.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 5:46 pm to coolpapaboze
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Property rights are a fundamental pillar of a free society. If they're subordinated for a woodpecker, they'll be subordinated for anything and the slide toward tyranny begins.
Exactly. That’s why to me principles matter more than policy. If the people in government held to our founding fathers traditions, they could be trusted not to abuse power. But they can’t because of a demonstrated track record of abuse.
In another example, libs point out that George Washington mandated a vaccine to the Continental Army. That didn’t convince me the government today, which is a corrupt leviathan, should be entrusted with the same powers we entrusted GW.
I lean towards the protecting property rights at the expense of nature unfortunately, even though the national parks are amazing and we should be conserving nature, because of the potential for tyranny.
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