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re: Oxford Study: Vaccinated are 44% more likely to catch & spread Covid
Posted on 10/3/22 at 2:38 pm to S1C EM
Posted on 10/3/22 at 2:38 pm to S1C EM
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I am in agreement with you. There will always be too many unknowns. Just pointing out that what they did say/do here wasn't what OP presented
Post not directed at the OP just the study. Bad studies make legit studies less believable especially medical studies
My wife had a study that didn’t get published. We think it was because it didn’t prove what they wanted it to. It was legit, but studies that were similar came up with different results.
In 10 or 15 years studies about COVID can be a little more accurate, but right now very few are scientifically possible to prove.
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 2:40 pm to BurntOrangeMan
Posted on 10/3/22 at 3:17 pm to BurntOrangeMan
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it means we’re left without explanation as to why the clinical trials and government studies showed high efficacy for a two dose course, when observational studies of the real-world evidence now find negative effectiveness against infection and much lower than advertised effectiveness against serious disease.
An explanation is clearly required.
And given the earlier studies were used to inform both individuals’ choices and public policy, including medical coercion, serious lessons need to be learned.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 3:20 pm to BurntOrangeMan
Im taking this to the OT
Posted on 10/3/22 at 3:22 pm to BurntOrangeMan
That is an awful article, just read the study itself (which does not say what the article claims):
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Although significant heterogeneity was found across BMI groups, protection against severe COVID-19 disease (comparing people who were vaccinated vs those who were not) was high after 14 days or more from the second dose for hospital admission (underweight: OR 0·51 [95% CI 0·41–0·63]; healthy weight: 0·34 [0·32–0·36]; overweight: 0·32 [0·30–0·34]; and obesity: 0·32 [0·30–0·34]) and death (underweight: 0·60 [0·36–0·98]; healthy weight: 0·39 [0·33–0·47]; overweight: 0·30 [0·25–0·35]; and obesity: 0·26 [0·22–0·30]). In the vaccinated cohort, there were significant linear associations between BMI and COVID-19 hospitalisation and death after the first dose, and J-shaped associations after the second dose.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 3:35 pm to BurntOrangeMan
My god you people are morons.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:02 pm to BurntOrangeMan
Well, are going to believe sketchy sources like Oxford University?
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:11 pm to Strannix
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Im taking this to the OT
Thanks, we needed the laugh
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:22 pm to BurntOrangeMan
lifesitenews.com sounds very reliable
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:26 pm to BurntOrangeMan
My 53 year old niece is dealing with her 2nd bout of Covid19 in less than a year. Double vaxxed, boosted and the 2nd infection is kicking her butt as compared to her first infection. She also had a pretty bad case of shingles after her first bout of Covid19. Was it the MRNA juice or the Covid19 infection that brought on her case of shingles? I’m sure in time we’ll have more real data to help come to the true answer.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:29 pm to S1C EM
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These people don't even understand how research studies are conducted and all the data that gets compiled within them. Guess they wanted it in the first page or two....
But it is in the supplementary appendix. You are mad they are stating the truth?
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:32 pm to BurntOrangeMan
Can anyone tell me what these hippie liberal pits mean when they say, "TrUsT tHe ScIeNce?"
Since when is liberal arts a science?
Since when is liberal arts a science?
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:33 pm to TigerCoon
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Well, are going to believe sketchy sources like Oxford University?
Oxford? Maybe.
LifeSiteNews?: Clearly, no.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:41 pm to jonnyanony
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Oxford? Maybe. LifeSiteNews?: Clearly, no.
Did the study come from Oxford?
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:48 pm to dgnx6
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But it is in the supplementary appendix. You are mad they are stating the truth?
That's the point. They (article writer) tried to say it was buried, seemingly intentionally, which was not the case. And the truth is not what OP ran with. In fact, the study states that its findings on that one component (which isn't what the study was about) contradict other studies that show the opposite.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:55 pm to bamadontcare
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Did the study come from Oxford?
Click the actual study and you'll see the participants, funding agencies and the actual findings.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:57 pm to jonnyanony
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Click the actual study and you'll see the participants, funding agencies and the actual findings.
So it didn’t come from Oxford?
Posted on 10/3/22 at 5:00 pm to bamadontcare
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So it didn’t come from Oxford?
Partially, along with NIH. The study seems well done, but it's not what the article in OP claims.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 5:07 pm to BurntOrangeMan
The OP headline is false. I read the study conclusions. There is a period after vaccination, in which the vaccinated are much more likely to be infected than the unvaccinated according to the statistics. The authors guess that this is due to the unvaccinated refusing to get tested even when they have covid. Sound familiar? Many on this site have bragged about just that. I don’t get tested anymore.
The study also noted this:
The study also noted this:
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The figures show that having two vaccine doses reduces hospitalization risk by 66 percent once 14 days post-injection (though once again there is an unexplained leap in efficacy from 19 percent 28 days after dose one, to 67 percent in the week after dose two).
Posted on 10/3/22 at 5:22 pm to jonnyanony
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Partially, along with NIH. The study seems well done, but it's not what the article in OP claims.
Now you claim it is well done. Before, you claimed it was invalid because the media
source that reported it was not to your liking.
Do you see how this could frame the way you view the world?
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