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re: Folks, I've come to the sad realization it has to be DeSantis.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 10:05 am to Bass Tiger
Posted on 9/23/22 at 10:05 am to Bass Tiger
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still pissed about the rigged 2020 election…
explain why AG Barr says it was not rigged.
say a state where it was rigged and how it was rigged.
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Posted on 9/23/22 at 10:07 am to CelticDog
quote:"Barr is a swamp creature."
explain why AG Barr says it was not rigged.
It was his turn to be thrown under the Trump bus.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 10:07 am to DiamondDog
I read your post.
DeSantis doesn't have the experience to do what needs to be done. What's facing America is both foreign and domestic. Trump is light years better than DeSantis in these matters. Also, having a name matters. No one has a bigger name than Trump.
Frankly, I think DeSantis is smart enough not to run against Trump. He would piss so many MAGA people off and open the door for a Dim win. So, for me, Trump is the only option. Besides, Trump would crush him.
DeSantis doesn't have the experience to do what needs to be done. What's facing America is both foreign and domestic. Trump is light years better than DeSantis in these matters. Also, having a name matters. No one has a bigger name than Trump.
Frankly, I think DeSantis is smart enough not to run against Trump. He would piss so many MAGA people off and open the door for a Dim win. So, for me, Trump is the only option. Besides, Trump would crush him.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 10:08 am to Tiger985
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I've voted for Trump twice and will support him in 2024 if he runs.
He’s definitely running, he’s recently been active in meeting with his biggest boosters.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 10:10 am to AggieHank86
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Compare yourself to small-L libertarians. We have not tried to change the entire country. We understand that we do not have the numbers (just as you do not). We have money (the Kochs) and we have some influential elected officials (the Pauls). We take a bit here and a bit there, just trying to slowly nudge the country in the right direction. By contrast, your "movement" seems to think that it can implement a complete change of course, just by winning one election cycle. Honestly, it is clinically cray-cray.
At this point it isn't even about small incremental changes as you suggest. This isn't about deregulation, or reducing tax rates, or reforming Social Security. While those are good, sound policies, we are beyond policy at this moment in history. It's about stopping the insanity.
We just had an acting US Congresswoman ask bank CEOs to stop funding oil and gas immediately. Not in 10, 15, or 20 years, but right now. 10 years ago, most would have simply shrugged that off as the ramblings of some lunatic congresswoman from a very liberal district. But her "opinion" is the majority opinion within the democratic party. And that, my friend, is the insidious nature of the struggle we are in.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 10:11 am to BurntOrangeMan
So the left has broken you is what you are saying...sack up.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 10:13 am to AggieHank86
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For good or ill, Trump is an oak. An oak makes a wonderful pundit, but a poor leader.
You will get downvoted to hell but everything you say is entirely correct.
I would add that there is nothing I see that leads me to believe the outcome will be different to 2020's. For me it boils down to the fact that DeSantis is electable and Trump is not. The Trump phenom has played itself out. Even if he were to to win he can't effectively govern. He was great at shaping the agenda and the platform but beyond that I don't have confidence anymore.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 10:15 am to DiamondDog
Any Republican would thwart the dreadful progressive policies the Democrats seek to pursue, so winning is paramount. Trump's negatives are just too high and too ingrained. DeSantis offers much of the "MAGA" agenda without anywhere near the baggage. Yes, the media will do everything they can to smear any Republican candidate, but Trump is uniquely offensive to far too many. A DeSantis-Tim Scott ticket would be some kind of formidable.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 10:17 am to AggieHank86
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Republicans have often governed effectively during my lifetime, and they have managed to implement significant portions of their agenda. Each time that has happened, the GOP has been led by someone capable of forming and leading coalitions. Trump is must NOT such a person.
Are we arguing whether Trump was an effective administrator or whether DC/Swamp/business will allow for a populist movement to take power regardless of who is the head of that movement because those are two completely separate points?
As far as any broad national mandate that's laughable because the country is utterly divided in terms what it wants. Suggesting that any sort of MAGA movement needs to be at 60%+ is non-sensical.
As far as MAGA vs GOPe that battle is clearly defined. The base of the RNC is strongly MAGA Newsweek - Trump leads RNC by 30 points, but the RNC leadership is entirely GOPe and only gives lip service to the will of its electorate while attempting to destroy it behind closed doors just as it did to the Tea Party.
It's the exact same issue the DNC has where left to their own devices their voter base is majority socialist at this point, but the leadership there is still held by the Clinton/Obama groups which are still pseudo-capitalist.
USA Today - 60% of Dems Pro Socialist
This post was edited on 9/23/22 at 10:19 am
Posted on 9/23/22 at 10:21 am to DiamondDog
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DeSantis will go down as better than Reagan.
Donald J. Trump was a great President. His "America First" initiative brought good-paying jobs back to America. Including good-paying union jobs in the Automotive & Steel Industry.
Unlike Joe Biden, under Donald J. Trump, we had an immigration policy. He started the construction of a southern wall to stop the invasion of illegals and drugs across our southern border. Do you keep up with the number of young people killed by Fentanyl? I do. I remember reading reports that US cities along the border reported an immediate drop in crime when the wall was constructed. We were safer in our homes and on the streets under Donald J. Trump.
Need I mention our resurging O&G Energy Field? I will. I never thought in my lifetime I would witness America fully energy independent again. Donald J. Trump did that. During his Presidency, I was paying $1.63/gallon for gasoline, $ 2.65 for a gallon of milk, and $ 1.10 for a loaf of bread.
President Trump's effort for peace earned him four (four) nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize. During his time in office, we had peace in the world. Putin knew better than to attack Ukraine during Trump's time in office. But President Trump was also capable of bold initiatives for peace. To establish dialogue, President Trump reached out to our enemies, including an unprecedented meeting in Panmunjom with North Korean President Kim Jong-un. I don't recall any U.S.President doing that. Not even Ronald Reagan.
During President Trump's time in office, our enemies respected us, and our allies trusted us. It wasn't Donald J. Trump who left Americans trapped in Afghanistan—all the while screwing up the ability of the Brits to evacuate their folks out of that dilemma.
But IMO, more important than all these accomplishments (and there are many more) is the fact that the Deep State stole the 2020 Presidential Election. Furthermore, every American should be angry at what was done to Donald J. Trump. Including you. What is more disgusting than Joe Biden sending FBI Goons to rummage through Melania's undergarments?
The Deep State is terrified of another Trump Presidency. They are not afraid of Ron DeSantis.
Trump 2024 - Now more than ever.
This post was edited on 9/23/22 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 9/23/22 at 10:22 am to CelticDog
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say a state where it was rigged and how it was rigged.
Pennsylvania. Ballot Harvesting.
As someone that has followed elections for 20+ years, 90%+ turnout is not an anomaly. It's a statistical improbability.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 10:23 am to 14&Counting
quote:Of course I will.
You will get downvoted to hell but everything you say is entirely correct.
A few years ago, I performed a little experiment. I registered an "alter" and posted exactly the same policy points that I would have posted as myself and then I declined to engage in any debate of those points. My posts were uniformly upvoted at a rate of about 6:1 ... until someone recognized my writing style after a few weeks and started calling me "Hank." Soon, the ratio was the same as when I post as myself.
For far too many posters, this place is not about policy discussions. It is about team jerseys and obtaining validation.
Many posters openly admit as much. That is fine for them. I just wish they would stay out of the way when serious folks are discussing policy.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 10:25 am to tide06
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As far as MAGA vs GOPe that battle is clearly defined. The base of the RNC is strongly MAGA Newsweek - Trump leads RNC by 30 points, but the RNC leadership is entirely GOPe and only gives lip service to the will of its electorate while attempting to destroy it behind closed doors just as it did to the Tea Party.
The problem is the party has to get united behind somebody. there is still a lot of legislative common ground: Tax policy, Judiciary, for example. The establishment will never unite behind Trump and we will be hopelessly divided. DeSantis could be the guy and take the mantle.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 10:25 am to DiamondDog
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DeSantis
Don’t get me wrong I like him, but the more I listen to him, that nasally nerdy voice just irks the shite out of me. It doesn’t match what he’s saying, almost like he’s forcing it.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 10:26 am to tide06
quote:I don't think that they are. I think that many of Trump's agenda points COULD have been implemented, if they had been championed by someone CAPABLE of "leading," rather than "demanding."
Are we arguing whether Trump was an effective administrator or whether DC/Swamp/business will allow for a populist movement to take power regardless of who is the head of that movement because those are two completely separate points?
Posted on 9/23/22 at 10:28 am to TigerAttorney
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nasally nerdy voice just irks the shite out of me.
that matters. people shut off a speaker if they are aggravating.
height matters. 6 4 is ideal. a man 5 8 is too short.
looks matter. I find it bizarre Abrams is still obese. a dental job to cover the gap would help too.
ideas come after physiology.
and emotional state of the voter comes first.
make voter fearful and angry. that's job 1.
This post was edited on 9/23/22 at 10:32 am
Posted on 9/23/22 at 10:34 am to CelticDog
You are by definition retarded
Posted on 9/23/22 at 10:35 am to DiamondDog
I agree. Trump will never be able to do anything without the swamp on his nuts.
But unfortunately no republican unless a swamp rat will.
They will go after anybody in any way if we Continue to let them.
The best person for that fight is trump..
But unfortunately no republican unless a swamp rat will.
They will go after anybody in any way if we Continue to let them.
The best person for that fight is trump..
Posted on 9/23/22 at 10:38 am to AggieHank86
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I don't think that they are. I think that many of Trump's agenda points COULD have been implemented, if they had been championed by someone CAPABLE of "leading," rather than "demanding."
Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell stonewalled the MAGA agenda for two years while filing his administration with moles and subverters who actively destroyed his presidency while working in lock step with the media and DNC and you want me to believe they did so purely because he was a poor administrator?
No, he was messing with their power and their money.
It was their cabinet picks, as negotiated when he got the nomination, which fumbled execution and torpedoed his agenda.
It was their congress who failed to pass any meaningful legislation with all three phases of government under their control.
It was an orchestrated takedown by the swamp and the GOPe was in on it from day one.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 10:38 am to 1BIGTigerFan
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DeSantis will be vilified, just like Trump
Nowhere near as bad. Anybody who says they think otherwise is playing stupid.
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