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The Answer to our defensive problems: The D-Line...
Posted on 10/27/08 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 10/27/08 at 2:31 pm
We don't have the experience or players in the secondary and at LB to bring extra guys on a consistent basis. Everyone thinks the answer is to blitz more, and as soon as I see or hear someone say that I automatically discount their opinion because they obviously don't know shite about our defense, our players or defensive football in general. Unfortunately, the only answer to our defensive problems is to get more pressure from our four down linemen, I just don't know exactly how we're going to do that, but I do know that our coaches also know this after watching what we implemented at South Carolina, so that gives me faith that the coaches know what we need, now it's just a matter of doing it on a consistent basis.
We obviously tried to do that at South Carolina with the "express package" and had tremendous success. Let's just hope we see more of that, because that's the only way this defense is going to improve this season is to get pressure from the front four without putting our secondary and LBs at a disadvantage by bringing extra guys and forcing these younger players to play man-on-man coverage where they're bound to get burned big every now and again.
We need to pick and choos good spots at crucial times to bring pressure, but we need to be very conservative in picking those "spots" and hopefully never get predictable in when we are bringing pressure with extra guys.
Now the question is ... how do we get the D-Line to have more success getting consistent pressure? I know football, but I don't really know exactly how to do that and I'm glad I'm not the one getting paid to make sure that happens from here on out. You're either getting pressure from your D-line or you're not, and there's typically not a whole lot you can do if you're not other than go to a different player. Thoughts?
We obviously tried to do that at South Carolina with the "express package" and had tremendous success. Let's just hope we see more of that, because that's the only way this defense is going to improve this season is to get pressure from the front four without putting our secondary and LBs at a disadvantage by bringing extra guys and forcing these younger players to play man-on-man coverage where they're bound to get burned big every now and again.
We need to pick and choos good spots at crucial times to bring pressure, but we need to be very conservative in picking those "spots" and hopefully never get predictable in when we are bringing pressure with extra guys.
Now the question is ... how do we get the D-Line to have more success getting consistent pressure? I know football, but I don't really know exactly how to do that and I'm glad I'm not the one getting paid to make sure that happens from here on out. You're either getting pressure from your D-line or you're not, and there's typically not a whole lot you can do if you're not other than go to a different player. Thoughts?
This post was edited on 10/27/08 at 2:38 pm
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Posted on 10/27/08 at 2:34 pm to JPLSU1981
You're totally right. Every time we tried to do something about it on Saturday -- every blitz, stunt, etc., -- we got burned. A team that can run and pass is going to be tough for us.
I'd also do with our safeties what the Redskins do with Landry -- play one of them 30 yards off the ball. You give up some stuff underneath, but you don't keep giving up 60-yard plays like we did on Saturday and against Florida.
I'd also do with our safeties what the Redskins do with Landry -- play one of them 30 yards off the ball. You give up some stuff underneath, but you don't keep giving up 60-yard plays like we did on Saturday and against Florida.
Posted on 10/27/08 at 2:37 pm to BMc
there's no fricking team in the ncaa that gets consistent pressure with a 4 man rush
Posted on 10/27/08 at 2:37 pm to JPLSU1981
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We don't have the experience or players in the secondary and at LB to bring extra guys on a consistent basis. Everyone thinks the answer is to blitz more, and as soon as I see or hear someone say that I automatically discount their opinion because they obviuously don't know shite about our defense, our players or defensive football in general.
We should have blitzed less on Saturday, but I don't entirely agree with this assessment.
You can still blitz if you do so EFFECTIVELY. The problem is that our blitzes are transparent, telegraphed, late, poorly timed, and come from too great a distance. As a result, our blitzes never actually acheive their objective, which is to disrupt the QB. Rather, the blitzers get picked up and the QB has a tremendous amount of time to exploit our CB's. That would be a problem even if we had experienced CB's.
Posted on 10/27/08 at 2:38 pm to Mmorsey
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there's no fricking team in the ncaa that gets consistent pressure with a 4 man rush
I see your point, but That's not necessarily true in the sense that pressure doesn't automatically = sacks ... there's a lot more to getting "pressure" than just getting sacks.
Posted on 10/27/08 at 2:40 pm to Mmorsey
LSU's defense is getting bit quite a lot by the quick passes. They seem to be getting pretty consistent pressure on opposing QB's most of the time when it's not a quick slant/RB dump off/etc.
What I would like to see is the NCAA officiating crews better interpret holding. I'm not saying this has kept our DL from performing as well as they have, but I've seen it happening with nary a call by the zebras; quite a metric frickton of that happening in the SC/UGA games.
What I would like to see is the NCAA officiating crews better interpret holding. I'm not saying this has kept our DL from performing as well as they have, but I've seen it happening with nary a call by the zebras; quite a metric frickton of that happening in the SC/UGA games.
Posted on 10/27/08 at 2:43 pm to JPLSU1981
Well,why doesn't this guy get some heat? Can't just be all Peveto and Mallory ? Does Lane just sit around and play board games with the DL in the afternoons ?
Posted on 10/27/08 at 2:43 pm to JPLSU1981
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because that's the only way this defense is going to improve this season is to get pressure from the front four without putting our secondary and LBs at a disadvantage by bringing extra guys and forcing these younger players to play man-on-man
While I agree with most of your post, this statement is wrong because LSU plays man whether we blitz or not.
Posted on 10/27/08 at 2:44 pm to JPLSU1981
I would argue that our blitz packages suck, our disguising sucks, and blitzes are called in the completely wrong situations.
Posted on 10/27/08 at 2:45 pm to Come2Conquer
Could it be possible that we got burned every time we blitzed against Georgia because we did a horrible job of disguising our blitzes.
Posted on 10/27/08 at 2:46 pm to JPLSU1981
when is the last time you have seen our dline shoot the gaps? The south carolina game is the first time you saw the defense do stunts or anything creative and we would of never saw any of that if florida wouldnt of blown us out. I know we are young in the secondary but i have never seen a team blow more coverages than we have. It is the coaching bottom line
Posted on 10/27/08 at 9:06 pm to Fairhope Tiger
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Could it be possible that we got burned every time we blitzed against Georgia because we did a horrible job of disguising our blitzes.
that's certainly part of it ... but it's not like even if you blitz alot you're blitzing 50% of the game ... blitzing is a very small part of an overall defense ... we've got to be able to get some pressure with the four down becausethe majority of defensive snaps you're not going to be bringing pressure regardless of whether or not you're conservative or agressive on defense.
This post was edited on 10/27/08 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 10/27/08 at 10:05 pm to JPLSU1981
I think the problem with our blitzes on Saturday was that we would show blitz and Stafford would see it and audible. After the audible, LSU did not audible out of the blitz and the D got burned. They need to learn to hide it better and learn to audible out of the blitz when the QB audibles. We just got bit by a veteran QB.
Posted on 10/27/08 at 10:07 pm to Bongi
The presure should be better. The coverage should be better. The scheme should be better. The tackling should be better. IOW, our defensive side coaches aren't very good.
Posted on 10/27/08 at 10:08 pm to AlwysATgr
How about we just keep it simple and start at the top with defensive coordinator and work our way down?
Posted on 10/27/08 at 10:11 pm to I-59 Tiger
Earl Lane is a very good D-line coach. You think he's happy with Malleveto and their pathetic schemes? Earl has to work within the framework of the D.
Dunbar was at odds with Pelini over this very same issue.
Dunbar was at odds with Pelini over this very same issue.
Posted on 10/27/08 at 10:13 pm to Mudminnow
Mudminnow good point and you may be right. I've been critical of Lane. Just very disappointed in the lack of up-front dominance.
Posted on 10/28/08 at 10:35 am to AlwysATgr
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Just very disappointed in the lack of up-front dominance.
+100
Posted on 10/28/08 at 10:53 am to JPLSU1981
The reason the Express package was successful against USC was more to do with the fact USC had given up the most sacks in the FBS division prior to the LSU game, and that USC played a freshman QB for his first start that game. I have been underwhelmed by the effectiveness of LSU's D line beginning last season. They either are overrated, undercoached, or are being deployed very poorly scheme-wise, more likely a combo of the three--notice I did not say lack of effort because it looked like they played hard the entire game. The D line should have been a point of strength for LSU going against UGA's depleted O line and wasn't. I don't see the Express package doing squat vs Bama's quality O line and senior QB, either.
The LB's have to tackle better, it is hard to watch them chronically overrun plays and let RB's break through the LOS untouched for big plays.
The lack of experience at QB and on D continues to surface at inopportune moments during games. At this point I am just waiting for next season as if no improvement is being witnessed game-to-game then why believe dramatic improvement happens by Bama/Ole Miss/AR?
The LB's have to tackle better, it is hard to watch them chronically overrun plays and let RB's break through the LOS untouched for big plays.
The lack of experience at QB and on D continues to surface at inopportune moments during games. At this point I am just waiting for next season as if no improvement is being witnessed game-to-game then why believe dramatic improvement happens by Bama/Ole Miss/AR?
Posted on 10/28/08 at 11:26 am to JPLSU1981
If you think that this will work against Bama O Line, you are dreaming.
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