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Analysis - The extra point was blocked due to LSU players out of position.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 9:27 am
Posted on 9/6/22 at 9:27 am
Below is a pic taken just before the snap of the blocked PAT. The LSU special teams unit is in "Wings" alignment which is a balanced formation with a wing(#86 and #85) on each end as Florida State is showing pressure on both ends. This is the correct alignment for this situation compared to a "stack" alignment, however #86 and #85 are out of position.
The pic below was taken at the snap of LSU's first PAT attempt against Clemson in the Championship game. Compare the position of the Wings to LSU's PAT attempt against Florida State where they're an entire step back. After watching the replay of the blocked PAT, the block came from outside rusher on the left. LSU's wing blocker on the left (#86), is not in correct position or stance. He should be standing a step closer and feet more spread apart to maintain his balance when blocking the rush. Instead he gets completely blown up by the first FSU rusher which makes room for the next rusher that blocks the PAT. Very poor coaching
The pic below was taken at the snap of LSU's first PAT attempt against Clemson in the Championship game. Compare the position of the Wings to LSU's PAT attempt against Florida State where they're an entire step back. After watching the replay of the blocked PAT, the block came from outside rusher on the left. LSU's wing blocker on the left (#86), is not in correct position or stance. He should be standing a step closer and feet more spread apart to maintain his balance when blocking the rush. Instead he gets completely blown up by the first FSU rusher which makes room for the next rusher that blocks the PAT. Very poor coaching
This post was edited on 9/6/22 at 9:40 am
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Posted on 9/6/22 at 9:36 am to Ping Pong
I think the execution of the play was more of a factor than alignment.
Mason doesn’t step down to get a shoulder in front of the player who blocked it. He steps out to focus on the edge. Edge rushers will only get a block if it’s a bad snap/hold. They’re irrelevant on most kicks. You learn basic wing PAT protection in middle school. Truly unacceptable that he doesn’t know what to do and executed poorly.
Mason doesn’t step down to get a shoulder in front of the player who blocked it. He steps out to focus on the edge. Edge rushers will only get a block if it’s a bad snap/hold. They’re irrelevant on most kicks. You learn basic wing PAT protection in middle school. Truly unacceptable that he doesn’t know what to do and executed poorly.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 9:37 am to Ping Pong
Oh yeah. Those wings are in way too tight. But if they step up at the snap it's fine. Taylor just picked the wrong guy to block. He blocked the outside rusher letting that 2nd guy from the left rush in untouched.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 9:43 am to Ping Pong
I noticed that as well, how can a coach get such a simple thing so wrong???
Gonna be a long season fellas, between that crap and Cam Cameron esque OC calls, some of these coaches don't get it.
Gonna be a long season fellas, between that crap and Cam Cameron esque OC calls, some of these coaches don't get it.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 9:47 am to Ping Pong
Did the ball hit off the crossbar? Painfully close to still going through if so. It looked like it on TV but it was hard to tell
Posted on 9/6/22 at 9:48 am to The Boat
Yes
Posted on 9/6/22 at 9:49 am to MightyYat
Two defenders blew by the left side. It was overloaded on purpose.
Yeah for FSU for getting away with that.
If it was LSU they would have flagged us for something or other.
I remember
Yeah for FSU for getting away with that.
If it was LSU they would have flagged us for something or other.
I remember
This post was edited on 9/6/22 at 9:51 am
Posted on 9/6/22 at 9:56 am to themunch
You can do that in college.
Some kickers shorten their approach on short field goals. Would have helped
Some kickers shorten their approach on short field goals. Would have helped
Posted on 9/6/22 at 9:59 am to Ping Pong
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The LSU special teams unit is in "Wings" alignment which is a balanced formation with a wing(#86 and #85) on each end as Florida State is showing pressure on both ends.
You are missing a big point here. You say this is the correct alignment against a balanced formation...
FSU is not balanced. They have 6 lined up on 4 and if you look closer they have 3 men lined up on 86.
The Clemson pic you show has balance on both sides of center
Posted on 9/6/22 at 10:00 am to themunch
I just watched it again. The formation was fine. Taylor didn't step down which is PAT blocking 101. Doesn't help now but that will be corrected today.
Here's 2 pics. The first is Taylor whiffing and stepping out to block the outside guy:
In this one you can see the outside rusher never had a chance. If Taylor steps down this is an easy PAT.
Here's 2 pics. The first is Taylor whiffing and stepping out to block the outside guy:
In this one you can see the outside rusher never had a chance. If Taylor steps down this is an easy PAT.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 10:01 am to Ping Pong
On the blocked PAT, #86 completely missed his assignment. He stepped left to block the outside rusher leaving a wide open hole. The untouched defender had a straight path at laying out and blocking the PAT. If 86 blocks down to the right, the outside rusher doesn’t block the game tying kick. Complete mental break down as you have to know your blocking assignment
Posted on 9/6/22 at 10:01 am to Ping Pong
The alignment isn’t the problem, it’s the technique the wings are being taught, or at least what they did here. Outside wings, just step down and punch to the next guys arse. When they step and punch, should hit that guy. Also, you just take the brunt of the hit, if they want to go inside, you might get run over, but they won’t block the kick. Outside guy should never get there if the timing is good. Timing should be less than 1.2 seconds, or in that area. Anyone who is teaching wings anything else but to step down and punch, is teaching it wrong and doing something different just to be cute, which I could totally see Polian doing.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 10:02 am to Ping Pong
Twice in one game. No adjustments. Poor coaching. We lose.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 10:04 am to 610man
I played the same position on field goals. Taylor probably knew better because it's common football knowledge but had a brain fart. A week 0 game would have corrected this.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 10:05 am to how333
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No adjustments. Poor coaching.
The coaches made adjustments after the blocked FG. The player (86) completely missed his assignment blocking the wrong rusher.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 10:06 am to tenderfoot tigah
Maybe he did, I think I heard they changed personnel from the first kick. Shouldn’t really have to do that, in game 1. Correct the first mistake and move on. Agreed on the week 0 game totally
Posted on 9/6/22 at 10:09 am to Ping Pong
Nice analysis, and thanks for the images.
After all the other mistakes we made throughout the game, that was really hard to watch.
Hopefully we learned the necessary lessons from that debacle.
After all the other mistakes we made throughout the game, that was really hard to watch.
Hopefully we learned the necessary lessons from that debacle.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 10:15 am to tenderfoot tigah
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I played the same position on field goals. Taylor probably knew better because it's common football knowledge but had a brain fart. A week 0 game would have corrected this.
Watch the game replay. He did it on both blocked kicks, and to a lesser extent on the made kicks. FSU was just lazy on its block attempt on the made kicks, and may have noticed the opportunity on replay and adjusted. In any case, this is poor coaching by us no matter how you cut it. Either he ignored his assignment and needed to be replaced, or he was taught incorrectly in camp.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 10:19 am to tenderfoot tigah
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I played the same position on field goals. Taylor probably knew better because it's common football knowledge but had a brain fart. A week 0 game would have corrected this.
I also played this position back in the day. First thing my coach told me day 1 of spring practice was that, if nothing else, NEVER LET THE INSIDE RUSHER BEAT YOU.
This is elementary. Doesn't matter that he's a freshman. I learned this as a freshman in high school and never once made that mistake. Inexcusable
Posted on 9/6/22 at 10:24 am to MrWalkingMan
This is one of those things that’s so simple, that coaches try to change it up, again to be cute. Acting like they know more than everyone else. I coached for about 20 seasons on multiple levels, you see this shite all the time, guys changing up the most elementary techniques to act like they know more. It’s obvious that these players didn’t know what to do.
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