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Mistress Marriage Redux: can't fire co-DC's til season's end
Posted on 10/26/08 at 9:16 am
Posted on 10/26/08 at 9:16 am
I'm updating this, since I posted it after the UF game. Once is an anomaly, two's a trend. clearly Mallory and Peveto can't be DC for the 2009 season.
But the permanent move CANNOT be made now, Auburn style. It HAS to wait until the end of the regular season, no sooner than the lull between the end of the season and the bowl. And there's a good reason for that.
I'd be willing to bet a lot of you guys have at least messed around with a girl who ostensibly had a boyfriend at the time. Sometimes they're the standard-issue Boyfriend Back Home who's either still in High School, or stayed home to go to Northwestern, work offshore, etc. Or it's some other dude at LSU. Either way, you were able to convince her that, boyfriend or not, there was no reason she shouldn't be rummaging through your T-shirt drawer the next morning.
I knew a guy in college who did this once from both ends. He had a longtime girlfriend, she had a longtime boyfriend. They hook up, and start hooking up on the sly pretty regularly. But then he made the FATAL mistake.
He broke up with the girlfriend, got her to break up with her boyfriend, and started dating the hookup girl. It ended a year later in a giant ball of blame, recrimination and thrown objects that I've yet to see duplicated on even the worst of VH1's "reality" offerings.
I've often wondered why he would have figured this girl would make a good girlfriend. She had already waved 2 giant red flags in his face:
- She was willing to cheat on even a longterm boyfriend
- She didn't care if her target boyfriend had a girlfriend or not. A deadly combo of Cheater and Homewrecker.
If Les Miles were to go ahead and 86 both Mallory and Peveto right here right now, Tubbs/Franklin style, LSU would end up in the same boat. How are you going to attract the kind of top flight DC everyone thinks LSU is entitled to by Divine Right if you've ALREADY demonstrated that you're going to feed him to the mob the second things go poorly? Who would leave his current gig, uproot his family, and move to a state he's never been to for that?
For example, the DC for the #1 NCAA defense right now, Dick Bumpas, has been at TCU for 5 years now. And his HC, Gary Patterson, was on Bumpas' staff when Bumpas was HC at Navy (I think). If Miles wants him, you think he's throwing away a relationship like that if there's a real risk of the fanbase, and HC, turning on him after 2 horrible games?
For that matter, would you even want a DC who's not perceptive enough to realize the inherent danger of such a move in the first place, or desperate enough not to care (see Kiffin, Lane)? If Tubberville manages to stay at AU this year, watch and see what kind of OC Tubbs ends up with next year on the Plains. It won't be a primo hire. And if Tubbs gets canned this year, it only underscores the folly of publicly firing a co-ordinator mid-season.
I am NOT defending the co-DC's. Not a fan of the arrangement, or the guys themselves, even though Florida, Ohio State, Oklahoma and Illinois have or had co-DC's either this year or last (OK has co-OC's and co-DC's, for crying out loud). And I'm about one more 450-yd performance away from standing in line behind the rest of the mob to be issued by pitchfork and/or torch. But making a real change before the season is over is not only a bad idea, but a poisonous idea that would probably result in a worse DC hire for 2009.
But the permanent move CANNOT be made now, Auburn style. It HAS to wait until the end of the regular season, no sooner than the lull between the end of the season and the bowl. And there's a good reason for that.
I'd be willing to bet a lot of you guys have at least messed around with a girl who ostensibly had a boyfriend at the time. Sometimes they're the standard-issue Boyfriend Back Home who's either still in High School, or stayed home to go to Northwestern, work offshore, etc. Or it's some other dude at LSU. Either way, you were able to convince her that, boyfriend or not, there was no reason she shouldn't be rummaging through your T-shirt drawer the next morning.
I knew a guy in college who did this once from both ends. He had a longtime girlfriend, she had a longtime boyfriend. They hook up, and start hooking up on the sly pretty regularly. But then he made the FATAL mistake.
He broke up with the girlfriend, got her to break up with her boyfriend, and started dating the hookup girl. It ended a year later in a giant ball of blame, recrimination and thrown objects that I've yet to see duplicated on even the worst of VH1's "reality" offerings.
I've often wondered why he would have figured this girl would make a good girlfriend. She had already waved 2 giant red flags in his face:
- She was willing to cheat on even a longterm boyfriend
- She didn't care if her target boyfriend had a girlfriend or not. A deadly combo of Cheater and Homewrecker.
If Les Miles were to go ahead and 86 both Mallory and Peveto right here right now, Tubbs/Franklin style, LSU would end up in the same boat. How are you going to attract the kind of top flight DC everyone thinks LSU is entitled to by Divine Right if you've ALREADY demonstrated that you're going to feed him to the mob the second things go poorly? Who would leave his current gig, uproot his family, and move to a state he's never been to for that?
For example, the DC for the #1 NCAA defense right now, Dick Bumpas, has been at TCU for 5 years now. And his HC, Gary Patterson, was on Bumpas' staff when Bumpas was HC at Navy (I think). If Miles wants him, you think he's throwing away a relationship like that if there's a real risk of the fanbase, and HC, turning on him after 2 horrible games?
For that matter, would you even want a DC who's not perceptive enough to realize the inherent danger of such a move in the first place, or desperate enough not to care (see Kiffin, Lane)? If Tubberville manages to stay at AU this year, watch and see what kind of OC Tubbs ends up with next year on the Plains. It won't be a primo hire. And if Tubbs gets canned this year, it only underscores the folly of publicly firing a co-ordinator mid-season.
I am NOT defending the co-DC's. Not a fan of the arrangement, or the guys themselves, even though Florida, Ohio State, Oklahoma and Illinois have or had co-DC's either this year or last (OK has co-OC's and co-DC's, for crying out loud). And I'm about one more 450-yd performance away from standing in line behind the rest of the mob to be issued by pitchfork and/or torch. But making a real change before the season is over is not only a bad idea, but a poisonous idea that would probably result in a worse DC hire for 2009.
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Posted on 10/26/08 at 9:20 am to Martin Blank
I agree with every single thing you posted.
However, I do believe LSU ought to begin putting "feelers" out for coaches that they'd like targeted for the hire. If none bite, then wait until the off-season to make the change. But you never know...someone might take the bait. If so, you make the switch. That wouldn't be predicated on some enormous mid-season change in the defensive outlook, but at least it gives the players the opportunity to begin learning a new system.
However, I do believe LSU ought to begin putting "feelers" out for coaches that they'd like targeted for the hire. If none bite, then wait until the off-season to make the change. But you never know...someone might take the bait. If so, you make the switch. That wouldn't be predicated on some enormous mid-season change in the defensive outlook, but at least it gives the players the opportunity to begin learning a new system.
This post was edited on 10/26/08 at 9:22 am
Posted on 10/26/08 at 9:21 am to Martin Blank
i disagree, get rid of them now, so someone new can come in and correct it. You cannot tell me they will do worse then this with the tallent we have. Recruiting is going to suffer big time because of this.
Posted on 10/26/08 at 9:25 am to dreaux
If you're in that big a hurry, you can do it as soon as the plane from Little Rock lands the day after Thanksgiving. But then you're limited to a DC with no bowl game (if the AU staff gets fired, maybe Paul Rhodes). Then you can install the new defense for the bowl game.
But if nothing else, you CANNOT look as though you've panicked. This is especially true of an MNC coach who makes over $3 million per year. Panicking is for amateurs, and people with no choice because they aren't really in charge (like the Tubbs/Lowder dynamic). And changing DC's 7 games in is the classic panic move.
But if nothing else, you CANNOT look as though you've panicked. This is especially true of an MNC coach who makes over $3 million per year. Panicking is for amateurs, and people with no choice because they aren't really in charge (like the Tubbs/Lowder dynamic). And changing DC's 7 games in is the classic panic move.
Posted on 10/26/08 at 9:25 am to Martin Blank
I agree like I did the first time you posted it.
Be careful though, because you didn't post pictures and talk like an uneducated redneck thug. People are going to say "that's too long, I can't read it."
But here's the thing: I agree with you, but I sincerely hope that Miles makes the change, period, after the season. I pray that he's not bull-headed like Dinardo was with Tepper. And there's bits and pieces of his personality that I've seen that says he would hold onto Peveto and Mallory and not make any changes.
Be careful though, because you didn't post pictures and talk like an uneducated redneck thug. People are going to say "that's too long, I can't read it."
But here's the thing: I agree with you, but I sincerely hope that Miles makes the change, period, after the season. I pray that he's not bull-headed like Dinardo was with Tepper. And there's bits and pieces of his personality that I've seen that says he would hold onto Peveto and Mallory and not make any changes.
Posted on 10/26/08 at 9:27 am to Paul_LSU_passion
Don't think you can make the change mid-season (I think it would cause more problems than it solves). Hopefully, we'll put the feelers out and make a solid hire during, or shortly after, bowl season.
Posted on 10/26/08 at 9:31 am to SleauxPlay
Every coach in America should have a piece of paper hidden somewhere in his desk with a few names on it for "just in case" purposes. I would hope that Miles has a few names leftover from the search in January, which he probably still does.
Posted on 10/26/08 at 9:32 am to SleauxPlay
I agree - replace the two headed confusion machine after the Arkansas game.
Posted on 10/26/08 at 9:34 am to Martin Blank
First off we don't have Co DC's that is a resume thing. The person making the defensive calls is the DC. How can Peveto take the heat for the Defense if he is not upstairs making the calls. Peveto looks more like an assistant. Have you seen Peveto out on the field like Muschamp. Mallory is making the calls from upstairs.
Posted on 10/26/08 at 9:36 am to DeafVallyBatnR
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Mallory is making the calls from upstairs.
Furthermore, he sports that godawful backwards cap like a retard on national TV. Act like a grown man, Mallory!
Posted on 10/26/08 at 9:37 am to Martin Blank
That is why I said bring in Oliver as a "consultant". he's done it before and knows defense as well as anyone in the country.
Posted on 10/26/08 at 10:07 am to DeafVallyBatnR
Whether it's a "resume thing" or not, the title does carry some authority, and neither Peveto nor Mallory have that at this point. That confusion seems to be translated onto the field as well. LSU has far too much talent on that side of the ball to play like they have.
I wasn't particularly thrilled with the fact that Miles hired from within, and even less so with the "co-DC" moniker. The coaching on the defensive side of the ball has not been at the level that we have come to expect since the South Carolina game last year.
With that said, I agree with the views in this post. However, like I stated in another post last night, if you have 2 DCs, you don't have 1. I think that Miles could name 1 of the 2 men as the DC without creating an Auburn/T'Ville/Franklin situation. Nobody loses their jobs, they're simply making adjusments and correcting some things to help improve the football team.
At season's end, you hire a top noth DC. My vote is for Jon Tenuta, FWIW. Let the DC pick his assistants. Recruiting will work itself out. In fact, I think that you help yourself in the long run by bringing in a respected DC.
I sincerely like this coach. I think that Miles is exactly the kind of coach that we need here. I also liked Jim Mora, but his allegiance to Carl Smith cost him his job. Same wih Dinardo here at LSU with Lou Tepper. I've also found that the "promote from within" approach generally doesn't work in college football. For every example that has worked, I could give you five that didn't.
I wasn't particularly thrilled with the fact that Miles hired from within, and even less so with the "co-DC" moniker. The coaching on the defensive side of the ball has not been at the level that we have come to expect since the South Carolina game last year.
With that said, I agree with the views in this post. However, like I stated in another post last night, if you have 2 DCs, you don't have 1. I think that Miles could name 1 of the 2 men as the DC without creating an Auburn/T'Ville/Franklin situation. Nobody loses their jobs, they're simply making adjusments and correcting some things to help improve the football team.
At season's end, you hire a top noth DC. My vote is for Jon Tenuta, FWIW. Let the DC pick his assistants. Recruiting will work itself out. In fact, I think that you help yourself in the long run by bringing in a respected DC.
I sincerely like this coach. I think that Miles is exactly the kind of coach that we need here. I also liked Jim Mora, but his allegiance to Carl Smith cost him his job. Same wih Dinardo here at LSU with Lou Tepper. I've also found that the "promote from within" approach generally doesn't work in college football. For every example that has worked, I could give you five that didn't.
Posted on 10/26/08 at 10:10 am to ffishstik
Our offense was probably worse than our defense in 1999.
Posted on 10/26/08 at 8:49 pm to prplhze2000
A "consultant" would be just as bad. All you've done there is bring in the college football version of an IAD cop to look over the shoulder of whoever calls this defense for the rest of the year, and second guess the calls while retaining no responsibility himself. You've still publicly cut the legs out from under the DC/DC's, and the deterring effect for the 2009 DC is the same.
If you could do it COMPLETELY under the radar, and you're convinced that it's the difference between 10-2 and 8-4, you might have to consider it for a second. But in a tiny fishbowl like BTR that has nothing really going on other than LSU football, there's almost no chance of this happening. Hell, Mallory or Peveto would probably make an anonymous call to the Advocate, or Glenn Guilbeau, the second the staff was told about the hire.
And if you're referring to former AU DC Bill "Brother" Oliver, isn't he about 80? And been out of football for over 5 years? If you're going to take the kamikaze gamble of bringing in a "consultant" midyear, you can't risk it on a tired old retread like Brother.
If you could do it COMPLETELY under the radar, and you're convinced that it's the difference between 10-2 and 8-4, you might have to consider it for a second. But in a tiny fishbowl like BTR that has nothing really going on other than LSU football, there's almost no chance of this happening. Hell, Mallory or Peveto would probably make an anonymous call to the Advocate, or Glenn Guilbeau, the second the staff was told about the hire.
And if you're referring to former AU DC Bill "Brother" Oliver, isn't he about 80? And been out of football for over 5 years? If you're going to take the kamikaze gamble of bringing in a "consultant" midyear, you can't risk it on a tired old retread like Brother.
Posted on 10/26/08 at 8:51 pm to Martin Blank
I meant Arnsparger or Oliver.
I don't care how old Oliver is, for 6 games he knows more football no matter how senile his brain is than Peveto and Mallory know about defense combined.
Some team did this with Oliver a few years ago and got great results.
I don't care how old Oliver is, for 6 games he knows more football no matter how senile his brain is than Peveto and Mallory know about defense combined.
Some team did this with Oliver a few years ago and got great results.
Posted on 10/26/08 at 9:13 pm to Martin Blank
Now that's a good post.
Posted on 11/13/08 at 2:44 pm to 6R12
another bump because:
quote:
Martin Blank is a GOD
Posted on 11/13/08 at 2:48 pm to supatigah
Martin BlankPosted on 11/13/08 at 2:50 pm to Chicken
martin makes me feel warm inside
Posted on 11/13/08 at 10:00 pm to supatigah
We can/should wait until the end of the season. But come 5PM on 11/28/08 it needs to be the first order of business.
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